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Posted 20 April 2010 - 01:03 PM

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Posted 20 April 2010 - 03:29 PM

Excellent find - thanks for posting the article for us.


Does anyone know which office this relates to?
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Posted 20 April 2010 - 03:57 PM

:wub: Hi everyone ...


From my understanding there are a number of ACC Claimants that have " matters of concern " with the style that there claims have been managed by the ACC Whangarei Office.


:blink: If , by any chance the " matters of concern " are related and if , by chance , the " matters of concern " directly or indirectly affect ACC Client's , namely us Claimants then there are going to be a number of " matters of concern " created.


From what I have heard the ACC Whangarei Office went from the worst of the worst of the worst preforming ACC Office in the country to being the top of the top preforming office in 6 months regarding KPI's ...

If this is true then how did ACC Manage to achieve this ?

:huh: How come my entitlements that I'm lead to believe that I'm entitled to haven't been actioned ?

:angry: As advised by ACC recently a specialist medicial report didn't end up in my ACC so called file , how come ?

I'm totally sick of ACC's admitted Failure of Service / Mis-management , especially after over 23 years of it and continuing and ongoing today ...

Bring on the Serious Fraud Office I'm sure they would love to read the info we have ...

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Posted 20 April 2010 - 04:31 PM

Mr Laurie Edwards press release re ACC CALLS IN SFO.

http://www.mediacom....008_md13455.doc


Mr Laurie Edwards includes his mobile phone number for contact.
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Posted 20 April 2010 - 05:12 PM

In 1997 it was Gavin Robins .......

WELLINGTON -- The Serious Fraud Office yesterday charged former ACC chief Gavin Robins with fraud, alleging he misused $1.4 million of the corporation's money.

Serious Fraud Office acting director Judge Ron Jamieson said in a statement last night that the SFO alleged Robins used funds from the Accident Rehabilitation and Compensation Insurance Corporation to finance the purchase of three aircraft for his personal benefit.

He said Robins faced 22 charges of using a document with intent to defraud, theft by failing to account, and money laundering
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I have to agree with you Huggy ACC needs to take a good look at their own and be prepared to name and shame in the same way they did with Mike Gibson, who actually didn't receive $1 that he wasn't entitled to.....
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Posted 20 April 2010 - 05:26 PM

From what I can see the enquiry concerns property transactions so Kent Eglington won't be involved in the investigation that has just been referred to the SFO because, from my experience, he was just involved with ruthless and destructive case handling not property.
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Posted 20 April 2010 - 06:06 PM

Bribery -what do the toadys get? :wacko: :wacko:
Corruption - what do the CMs get ^_^ ^_^
Fraud - what's in your file :huh: :huh:

Bloody Oath Mate; Just a typical day at your local or any other ACC office :angry:
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Posted 21 April 2010 - 08:45 AM

Once upon a time there was a young lawyer who ripped off the trust account of the firm he worked for. He was not actually disbarred. In those days if you came from a wealthy and respected family it didn't happen. He left the country for about 11 years then returned and tried to find work but no law firm would have a bar of him. Eventually he found work with Social Welfare on the legal aid project when it was first set up. He done a good job and then obtained a place with the Accident Compensation Commission, as ACC was first known. He actually wrote up the 1982 Accident Compensation Act.
One of the first senior staffers at ACC was a white collar criminal. I know this is true because he told me personally.
My ERC goes in the bank every week and I would be better employed spending my time making claims for the many things I am definitely entitled to. But this is why I am here and this is why I get inflamed with a burning anger. I know that ACC and the government are thoroughly corrupt. Nick Smith dribbles about it but it is his baby. He is ultimately responsible.
It is people like this latest ACC cheat that he takes his advice from. ACC tells outright lies to a select committeee on which John Keyes was a member and they get away with it. Nothing is done.
Well now they will begin to pay for the years and years of lies and deceit and ignoring the plight of maimed and seriously injured workers. ACC is out of control, a corporation gone rogue. Nick Smith and his mates are not going to stop it blowing up in their pig ignorant political faces.
By the way if any of you readers still have one of the original blue vinyl covered copies of the 1982 Accident Compensation Act.
There is a photo of the two men who drafted the act inside the cover. The one with the curly hair is the ex white collar crim that only ACC would employ. A man no private firm would have anything to do with.
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Posted 21 April 2010 - 09:10 AM

 ACC RIS abuse unit PN, on Apr 20 2010, 07:05 PM, said:

There is another serious fraud being perpetrated against the levy payer and claimants

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Ask youself why did the ACC Executive Leadership Team accept and endorse the Phil Riley Strategy
specifically page 9 that does not meet the requirements of the Acc Act.

Because by ACC claiming "non compliance" then WINZ invoke their policy to not grant benefits when ACC terminate entitlements.

Thats how the Phil Riley Strategy works in collusion between ACC, their assessors and WINZ that encourages unethical practices between ACC staff and ACC Assessors.

That is where the focus should go to i think.



Yes this should be the focus. ACC tends to divert the public away from priority issues.

So what you're suggesting with the page 9 table is that if someone is deemed "non-compliant" and chucked off acc, acc has found another way to ensure winz doesn't provide any funds for rent, food, power etc. If so, this is nothing new as vic sinclair (wgtn acc) contacted winz to make sure that I was prevented from getting any money from winz for 3-months. a meeting with my lawyer and family funded psychologist had this decision overturned immediately. Winz gave me the paperwork very quickly once they found out they had been duped by acc and moved away from the dispute caused by the ruthless vic sinclair.

I put the Phil Riley strategy into the "search" - there's a lot of interesting information on this website.

So, what do people do now if chucked off ACC as not compliant then refused WINZ support?
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Posted 21 April 2010 - 09:27 AM

The post from "ACC RIS abuse unit PN"

Isn't that the new name for the LTCU and headed by Kent Egglington? Although he was in Wellington.

In my opinion and I believe:

If KE heads the RIS, watch out - when I got the better of KE he worked with Nikki Angelsey & ACC govt services to buy secret opinions (using inaccurate information and stalling my case for over a year while doing so) to have me locked up. It didn't work and Acc was threatened with legal action leaving one acc staff member in tears. My gp of 10 years found out that he was part of an --imaginery-- team of "treatment providers currently providing treatment to me" after 1 year.

ACC RIS abuse unit PN - a group of us has the paper trail showing the horror and extent that these people will go to when they can't execute someone for non-compliance. It's an even harsher path than falling off page 9 at the point of non-compliance.

Remember the balance - there are alot of people doing alot of good things to instil some honesty and integrity with acc.

It's clear that some staff don't have the mental capacity to be in paid employment, others are in need of urgent psychiatric intervention.

In the face of adversity - Micheal J Fox says, look for alternatives.

Decent people don't take advantage of vunerable members of society.



What can we do when WINZ refuses to provide income support because of the Phil Riley strategy?
Where do we go for income assistance?
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Posted 21 April 2010 - 09:31 AM

ACC calls in Serious Fraud Office Last updated 14:47 20/04/2010 The Serious Fraud Office has been asked to investigate matters of concern about Accident Compensation Corporation (ACC) property transactions that go back many years. One ACC employee has already been dismissed over the matter in what ACC Minister Nick Smith this afternoon said were serious ethical questions about property arrangements. "These matters are extremely serious,"Dr Smith said. "The public are right to want to know that money spent by agencies such as ACC is being spent with the highest levels of integrity. There is a serious question mark about that with respect to ACC." Dr Smith said he had not been given an estimate of how much money was involved but there had been a number of property transactions involving ACC which "provided less than good value for money for the tax- payer." "Information has come forward that is of sufficient concern that the Corporation has decided to refer the matter to the SFO." Dr Smith said he did not know how many people were involved but later said the "persons" involved had been employees of ACC "for a good period" so the concerns went back "many years". ACC properties all over country were involved. "It s a huge disappointment to the corporation that they are having to go to this step of laying a complaint with the SFO. It may be that following the independent investigation by the SFO that we will need to take a fresh look at the internal audit systems within ACC." In a statement this morning, ACC chief executive Dr Jan White said the matter had come to light while investigating a staff member's failure to follow internal policies. "Owing to the nature, potential scale and duration of those matters we believed it was appropriate to refer them to the SFO," Dr White said. The employee in question had been dismissed for failing to follow policies and procedures. As well as Dr Smith, the State Services Commission, Department of Prime Minister and Cabinet, Department of Labour and Auditor General had all been informed. "Given that this situation is being considered by the SFO, ACC will not be making any further public comment at this stage," Dr White said. Prime Minister John Key said it was best that he did not comment on the case. "It s certainly of concern," Mr Key said. By JOHN HARTEVELT
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Posted 21 April 2010 - 09:37 AM

 jocko, on Apr 21 2010, 10:31 AM, said:

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ACC calls in Serious Fraud Office Last updated 14:47 20/04/2010

"These matters are extremely serious,"Dr Smith said. "The public are right to want to know that money spent by agencies such as ACC is being spent with the highest levels of integrity. There is a serious question mark about that with respect to ACC."

"Given that this situation is being considered by the SFO, ACC will not be making any further public comment at this stage," Dr White said.

Prime Minister John Key said it was best that he did not comment on the case. "It s certainly of concern," Mr Key said. By JOHN HARTEVELT



If Dr Smith says the public are right to know what happened, why is ACC refusing to provide any details.
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Posted 21 April 2010 - 10:13 AM

sufficient concern that the Corporation has decided to refer the matter to the SFO." Dr Smith said he did not know how many people were involved but later said the "persons" involved had been employees of ACC "for a good period" so the concerns went back "many years". ACC properties all over country were involved. end qoute
Its ok for them to steal multiple billions from "bludging claimants languishing on ACC benefits" though isn't it Nick? It is good too see the thieving scum DELIBERATELY employed through using pscychological profiling tools at last flowering in their resplendent brilliance and making ACC blossom out in to the putrid stinking fucking mess that it truly is. I think its big and it will serve to take the public gaze from what is happening with Phil Rileys exit strategies. Unless Phils mates have been doing a few property deals with him of course? tsk tsk its a worry isn't it? Who do we trust now? ACC called in the serious fraud squad??? Who the fuck do they think they are fooling?
The serious fraud squad has just been gutted and reformed with Nationals handpickings. The serious fraud squad is not on another planet it is the Government. ACC is not on another planet it is the Government. The serious fraud squad, ACC
and the Government are one entity and resposible to the citizens of this country. The Government is the only one on another planet. It is calling itself in via the SFO to investigate its own insurance company.
ACC is running this country and this is another clear example of its power. It has permeated and corrupted every aspect of business in this country with cronyism and corrupt practice through every profession. ACC has cultivated and corrupted members of the medical proffession through hard cash and favouritism. It has corrupted the judiciary with false reporting and disinformation. The statistics and figures given often clash in stark falsehood. ACC spin doctors aided by a too ready media have denigrated the injured to the extent that when one mentions ACC the first reply is "Oh, there is a lot of them ripping it off isn't there?" from a gullible public. Who in turn do not see the harsh reality of ACC deliberately defaulting on claims simply because the person is earning over $600 per week and ACC itself lost 4 billion on the stock market.
These bastards who are being charged are the same group of "investors" who lost that 4 billion and Nick Smith is ordering their fellow workers to steal our entitlements to cover for those losses? ACC calls in the serious fraud office? yeah right
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Posted 21 April 2010 - 10:17 AM

Chocolate

ACC cannot say any more about the matter while it is under investigation and this is right, or they may end up making the investigation null and void!!

It is interesting that the govt has just made most of the big wigs at SFO redundant, including the cheif investigator, so wonder what the lower vessels are going to find. Hope they know about the financial implications of 'commercial' buildings. Like huge amounts of GST passing hands etc.

I say there has to be more than one person working a scheme like this. It needs a lawyer in there somewhere.

We should be able to ask how much of the missing money has been accounted for as a loss in the ACC's own books.

Some of the reason for a blow out has been sitting on their doorstep for years.

The buying and selling of commercial property has always been a risk area for rip offs. Look who goes broke first when there is a monetary downturn in the country.................investors in property, and yet the Mr Henderson etc, can crawl out of their bankrupt hole and start all over again, just for the same thing to happen.

There is an art and a knack to that. It can be learned by anyone willing to take the risk. In this fellows pants the only risk was playing with money that didnt belong to him and getting caught!!!

Note they never live without anything flash and opulent!!!

What gets me is that they are all govt depts and yet the auditors dont see it when they check the books each year. Bloody amazing.

If the top is so cunning and sly, you can see why the lower lot are like they are.

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Posted 21 April 2010 - 10:18 AM

Manager sacked and Serious Fraud Office called in to investigate Last updated 05:00 21/04/2010 ACC has sacked its property manager, Malcolm Mason, and called in the Serious Fraud Office to investigate property deals at the state accident insurer. A spokesman for the corporation confirmed yesterday that Mr Mason no longer worked there and his role had been filled by another manager. But he would not give details of when Mr Mason left, saying the inquiry should be put in writing and it would be answered under the Official Information Act. Mr Mason did not respond to calls yesterday and a woman at his Miramar home told a reporter: "No, he's not home, please leave now." Then she shut the door. But political sources and sources close to Mr Mason confirmed he had been dismissed and was under investigation. ACC Minister Nick Smith said one employee had already been dismissed over what he called "serious ethical questions" about property arrangements entered into by ACC. "These matters are extremely serious." The public was right to want to know that money was being spent with the highest levels of integrity. "There is a serious question mark about that with respect to ACC." He had not been given an estimate of the money involved but there had been several property transactions involving ACC that provided "less than good value for money" for the taxpayer. Dr Smith said those involved had been longstanding ACC employees so the concerns went back many years. ACC properties all over the country were involved. "It's a huge disappointment to the corporation that they are having to go to this step of laying a complaint with the SFO. It may be that, following the independent investigation by the SFO, we will need to take a fresh look at the internal audit systems within ACC." It was up to the SFO whether criminal charges were laid. ACC chief executive Jan White said the matter had come to light while investigating a staff member's failure to follow internal policies. "Owing to the nature, potential scale and duration of those matters we believed it was appropriate to refer them to the SFO," Dr White said. The employee in question had been dismissed for failing to follow policies and procedures. As well as Dr Smith, the State Services Commission, Department of Prime Minister and Cabinet, Labour By VERNON SMALL
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Posted 21 April 2010 - 10:35 AM

. It may be that, following the independent investigation by the SFO, we will need to take a fresh look at the internal audit systems within ACC.?? yeah right. Give me the job Nick, I'll audit them for you. I know a lot of hardout honest people of excellent character who know just what questions to ask and who to ask them of.
If you weren't such a politician you would be aware that there are no real internal audit systems in place. ACC doesn't employ auditors.Instead it has spin doctors you silly. Nick how on earth did you get to be minister? Oh thats right, ACC, The poisoned chalice! Wow, Nicks cup truly runneth over.
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Posted 21 April 2010 - 01:23 PM

Hey Jocko
Nicks cup should be running over...
the frauds in his back yard...so to speak
Dont know how to put it on the forum, but go to yesterdays Nelson evening mail
Mmmm very interesting
alot closer to home than good ol Nick probably likes! :rolleyes:
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Posted 23 April 2010 - 10:28 AM

nick closed the Nelson Office now ACC has to continue to pay the lease on the building.

Nicks looking for someone to blame for the high on going cost with out any return.
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Posted 23 April 2010 - 08:48 PM

 doppelganger, on Apr 23 2010, 11:28 AM, said:

nick closed the Nelson Office now ACC has to continue to pay the lease on the building.

Nicks looking for someone to blame for the high on going cost with out any return.



The paper company that brought this ACC Nelson building is owned by Paul East I see.
Ex Nat. MP. for Rotorua & Attorney General. Now enjoying retirement !
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Posted 24 April 2010 - 09:55 AM

I feel that this article belongs on this thread as well because it's about the current property issues. It is also on the Gerard McGreevy thread.


Stuff.co.nz

ACC building owners 'paid a fair price'
By JOHN HARTEVELT and VERNON SMALL Last updated 05:00 22/04/2010

A community trust closely linked to a former attorney-general now owns the property that has sparked a Serious Fraud Office investigation into ACC property deals.

Paul East, QC, a former National Cabinet minister and attorney-general, and a past high commissioner to London, says the Rotorua Trust Perpetual Capital Fund paid a fair price for the Nelson building.

Mr East is a director of the Rotorua trust's company, called Thirteen Fifty Eight Ltd. The company bought the Nelson ACC office in December 2009 for $4.825 million, official records show.

Neither Mr East nor the company is being investigated by the Serious Fraud Office, but there are suggestions they paid too much for the two-storey office.

ACC Minister Nick Smith refused to open the building because of concerns over the $346,320-a-year rent, which a local agent has said is probably twice the going rate, meaning the property will fall in value once the lease expires.

"The fact is, we have a long-term lease to a gilt-edged tenant, in terms of a government department, and the yield in the purchase price is very attractive," Mr East said.

The Serious Fraud Office decided yesterday to start a formal investigation into ACC property deals after being told of "matters of concern", including the Nelson deal. ACC property manager Malcolm Mason has been sacked.

Although ACC chief executive Jan White said a staff member was dismissed over a failure to follow policies and procedures, neither she nor Dr Smith have confirmed Mr Mason's name.

Dr Smith refused to speculate on any criminal charges about the deals yesterday, but said "these are extremely serious issues". "If it was simply about policies and procedures, I don't think it would be referred to the SFO."

The developer who first leased the property to ACC in January 2009, before selling it to the Rotorua Trust, said yesterday that Mr Mason had been involved in agreeing on the lease at the site.

Lloyd Cundy, of Lace Bark property developers, said he bought the car-yard site in 2007 knowing that ACC would be the tenants in a new building to be put up at the site.

The lease figure was agreed "well down the track". "They wanted a purpose-built, state-of-the-art building with all of the new, green features, and those things come at a cost," Mr Cundy said. "I need to get a return on my money."

Nelson office market rental levels were "obviously a lot lower" than what was paid by ACC. "[But] this is brand new, purpose-built, and it's essentially retail space and if you want to do that, then I'm afraid you're going to have to pay for it."

Mr Cundy said he had sold the site soon after buying it, because "I'm a developer, that's what I do. I don't own property for a loss".

Mr Cundy said he knew Mr Mason before doing the Nelson deal but had not had earlier dealings with him.

Mr Mason was not a friend and he had not heard from him since the case came to light. "I feel sorry for him," Mr Cundy said.

A friend of Mr Mason, who said he had known him for 30 years, said he would be "astounded" if any criminal charges were brought against him.
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