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#21 User is offline   magnacarta 

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Posted 24 April 2010 - 10:04 AM

When ACC refers matters to the SFO, Police or any other enforcement authority it is unequivocally acted upon.

However, when claimants approach police with complaints of alleged ACC fraud, as they have done on three seperate occasions I am aware of, claimants are always told it is a "civil matter" and police can't/won't act.

This inequality in administering the law by police needs to be seriously looked at. There is something very wrong here.
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Posted 26 April 2010 - 06:06 PM

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Manager sacked and Serious Fraud Office called in to investigate Last updated 05:00 21/04/2010 ACC has sacked its property manager, Malcolm Mason, and called in the Serious Fraud Office to investigate property deals at the state accident insurer. A spokesman for the corporation confirmed yesterday that Mr Mason no longer worked there and his role had been filled by another manager. But he would not give details of when Mr Mason left, saying the inquiry should be put in writing and it would be answered under the Official Information Act. Mr Mason did not respond to calls yesterday and a woman at his Miramar home told a reporter: "No, he's not home, please leave now." Then she shut the door. But political sources and sources close to Mr Mason confirmed he had been dismissed and was under investigation. ACC Minister Nick Smith said one employee had already been dismissed over what he called "serious ethical questions" about property arrangements entered into by ACC. "These matters are extremely serious." The public was right to want to know that money was being spent with the highest levels of integrity. "There is a serious question mark about that with respect to ACC." He had not been given an estimate of the money involved but there had been several property transactions involving ACC that provided "less than good value for money" for the taxpayer. Dr Smith said those involved had been longstanding ACC employees so the concerns went back many years. ACC properties all over the country were involved. "It's a huge disappointment to the corporation that they are having to go to this step of laying a complaint with the SFO. It may be that, following the independent investigation by the SFO, we will need to take a fresh look at the internal audit systems within ACC." It was up to the SFO whether criminal charges were laid. ACC chief executive Jan White said the matter had come to light while investigating a staff member's failure to follow internal policies. "Owing to the nature, potential scale and duration of those matters we believed it was appropriate to refer them to the SFO," Dr White said. The employee in question had been dismissed for failing to follow policies and procedures. As well as Dr Smith, the State Services Commission, Department of Prime Minister and Cabinet, Labour By VERNON SMALL



Isn't there an ACC Branch & a Private Investigations company operating across the road from each other in the North Island?

Is it true they both moved into new buildings & properties in the same street around the same time?
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Posted 26 April 2010 - 06:27 PM

View Posthukildaspida, on Apr 26 2010, 07:06 PM, said:

Isn't there an ACC Branch & a Private Investigations company operating across the road from each other in the North Island?

Is it true they both moved into new buildings & properties in the same street around the same time?

This is indeed an interesting coincidence.
As is a certain family name of "Spragon" involved in the transactions.
How does this tie in to the new Whangarei Branch office - signed off by the Barry Davis ?
Just wondering??
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Posted 26 April 2010 - 06:35 PM

View PostJ. Bloggs, on Apr 26 2010, 07:27 PM, said:

This is indeed an interesting coincidence.
As is a certain family name of "Spragon" involved in the transactions.
How does this tie in to the new Whangarei Branch office - signed off by the Barry Davis ?
Just wondering??



Do you mean Spraggon as in Michael or daughter(?) Bridget whom works at ING in there Property division?

Conflicts of interest do you think?

If so looks as if SFO going to have quite some files to go through.
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Posted 26 April 2010 - 06:41 PM

Great selection of jobs available at the Serious Fraud Office at the moment & can be found at http://www.momentum.co.nz

Maybe some people whom have had injuries should apply as would be great investigators & have thorough first hand knowledge of file mismanagement
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Posted 27 April 2010 - 10:49 AM

spida

You would have to know laws and policies for property transaction both of a commercial and private dwelling nature.

You would have to know how GST is treated on large transactions like these.

If it is over l year as it would be you would have to know how the covered up the fraud part of the transactions in the yearly returns.

What the accountants firm was doing not picking them up when audited.

You would have know what is a Zero rated sale and what is not. What criteria they have to met. When does the actual sale and purchase agreement have legs to stand on, which means that any commercial rental agreements etc are taken into consideration not only for the sale price but if it has a GST content or not.

You would have to be a least half lawyer and half accountant before you could even start to investigate or know which pieces of paper are important or not.

Did anyone find out when the big wigs that have been made redundant in the SFO are going or have they gone. Not surprising they are asking for more staff. Get them straight out of varsity, because they wont hire without a degree, and they wont be able to see outside the square. Yep great. He will have no fraud to answer, or it will fall apart in the middle.

You know the old 80/20 rule cant be used in these circumstances. You gotta make it stick.

Know how to trace original documentation through the computors and different bank accounts to the end.

Hell I could go on for a year, but whats the point not one of us has the nouse to do it and they just got rid of the ones that do.

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Posted 14 May 2010 - 04:47 PM

This may be from the past, however does anyone know whom and what years Philip Roigard worked for as a Senior Investigator?

Philip Roigard was involved in Anthony and Gavin Robins Fraud of ACC in which Anthony Robins declined a voluntary interview in case that went on between 1997 and 1998.

http://www.highbeam....2-17368118.html

It is also noted that Cliff McCord, now with WellNZ was employed in 1996 as part of ACCs Fraud Investigation Unit

http://www.scoop.co....1005/S00153.htm

http://www.nbr.co.nz/comment/ben-thomas/ac...icy-slow-motion

Maybe the Serious Fraud Office should be mindful of these "tactics" some use that have and still do work for ACC.
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Posted 17 May 2010 - 04:23 PM

http://whaleoil.gotcha.co.nz/tag/acc/

http://whaleoil.gotcha.co.nz/2010/04/27/a-...s-f-o/#comments

Is Luke Vodanovich who is listed as a Partner in Thompson Vodanovich any relation to the Vodanovich who is involved in http://sealegs.com ?

http://www.acc.co.nz have shares in http://www.sealegs.com

"On the edge of Heaven" feature article on how they live that appeared in the Sunday Star Times, Wellington, New Zealand April 12 2009 featuring Greg Hutt and his partner , Karen Craine whom are understood to operate hi-tech commerical interiors in Wellington that outfitted ACCs offices that is undersood to be under investigation.

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_8185...2/ai_n51669265/
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Posted 17 May 2010 - 05:44 PM

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The Serious Fraud Office decided yesterday to start a formal investigation into ACC property deals after being told of "matters of concern", including the Nelson deal. ACC property manager Malcolm Mason has been sacked.


Property leasing deals/arrangements between ACC and AON will hopefully also be included

and

Property leasing deals/arrangements (1999 and 2003-4) between CATALYST and AON will hopefully also be included

The SFO, and our Courts, will find heaps to keep them busy for a long time.
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Posted 18 May 2010 - 11:29 AM

View Posthukildaspida, on May 17 2010, 04:23 PM, said:

http://whaleoil.gotcha.co.nz/tag/acc/

http://whaleoil.gotcha.co.nz/2010/04/27/a-...-f-o/#comments

Is Luke Vodanovich who is listed as a Partner in Thompson Vodanovich any relation to the Vodanovich who is involved in http://sealegs.com ?

http://www.acc.co.nz have shares in http://www.sealegs.com

"On the edge of Heaven" feature article on how they live that appeared in the Sunday Star Times, Wellington, New Zealand April 12 2009 featuring Greg Hutt and his partner , Karen Craine whom are understood to operate hi-tech commerical interiors in Wellington that outfitted ACCs offices that is undersood to be under investigation.

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_8185...2/ai_n51669265/


spida

You continue to impress me with your investigatory skills.

Seriously, someone is missing out on a very good collector of relevent information by not hiring you.

Some of your stuff should be taken seriously by those that investigate the crooks. It is the transactions that are not 'arms length, that would seriously make peoples hair stand on end, if they saw the amount of them in NZ. Of course there are more and more being held to account because they are bleeding NZ dry of all the things that made the country wonderous.

Mind you as more and more rich get richer, the oridinary people of NZ get greedier and invest their money in places that are not safe. That has happened a lot over the years and little grandpa and grandma are getting ripped off and spend the rest of their savings trying to get their money back through Court. (Just as we do through ACC) which means their is less money to be handed down to the children as the parents pass on. This of course gives the rich list a squeeze and less under 1 billion living here, therefore more money taken off our shores.

Then along comes John and he makes like he is going to invest in NZ economic growth, but hey wait a mo, at the same time he comes riding in on his charger, the world goes into a ressession because the greedy barstards overseas get caught with their hand in the cookie jar and end up in Court and probably jail to make amends for taking a whole lot of little people down the jurgler with them. John carries on never the less with his scheme to make NZ a money making mega, so he puts in a cycle track from one end of the north island to the end of the south. Not to mention that a couple of people have already ridden that far using the 'ordinary' road. But hey I digress!!!

Hopefully with heads down and tails up there will be some real proper jail time down by these people who like to live rich but want everyone esle to pay for their livestyle. Well hopefully they get the priviledge with bars put up to stop them from ripping others off. Mind you it has been going on for as long as I can remember, so I guess jail time is not going to stop others from trying. Our jails are pretty easy on inmates according to the american mother whos son just lost his life in one of them.

Time for brunch. Keep up your good work. I enjoy reading your postings.

Cheers
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Posted 20 May 2010 - 01:09 PM

View PostMINI, on May 18 2010, 11:29 AM, said:

spida

You continue to impress me with your investigatory skills.

Seriously, someone is missing out on a very good collector of relevent information by not hiring you.

Some of your stuff should be taken seriously by those that investigate the crooks. It is the transactions that are not 'arms length, that would seriously make peoples hair stand on end, if they saw the amount of them in NZ. Of course there are more and more being held to account because they are bleeding NZ dry of all the things that made the country wonderous.

Mind you as more and more rich get richer, the oridinary people of NZ get greedier and invest their money in places that are not safe. That has happened a lot over the years and little grandpa and grandma are getting ripped off and spend the rest of their savings trying to get their money back through Court. (Just as we do through ACC) which means their is less money to be handed down to the children as the parents pass on. This of course gives the rich list a squeeze and less under 1 billion living here, therefore more money taken off our shores.

Then along comes John and he makes like he is going to invest in NZ economic growth, but hey wait a mo, at the same time he comes riding in on his charger, the world goes into a ressession because the greedy barstards overseas get caught with their hand in the cookie jar and end up in Court and probably jail to make amends for taking a whole lot of little people down the jurgler with them. John carries on never the less with his scheme to make NZ a money making mega, so he puts in a cycle track from one end of the north island to the end of the south. Not to mention that a couple of people have already ridden that far using the 'ordinary' road. But hey I digress!!!

Hopefully with heads down and tails up there will be some real proper jail time down by these people who like to live rich but want everyone esle to pay for their livestyle. Well hopefully they get the priviledge with bars put up to stop them from ripping others off. Mind you it has been going on for as long as I can remember, so I guess jail time is not going to stop others from trying. Our jails are pretty easy on inmates according to the american mother whos son just lost his life in one of them.

Time for brunch. Keep up your good work. I enjoy reading your postings.

Cheers
Mini



Thanks Mini, it's easy enough for anyone to find information on the internet with the click of a few buttons, including a persons name, address, region, company etc..

It may interest the Authorities whom are investigating ACC & interelated people in these transactions that Gavin Robins, formerly employed by us Levypayers at http://www.acc.co.nz & his brother Anthony were prosecuted for matters relating to ACC fraud in 1995 and 1996.

The Robbers family from Wellington is also a name that we have heard was somehow involved.

Greg HUTT who along with his partner Karen Craine built the property at 8 Ani Miria Place, Te Rangiita, Taupo in 1995, being around the same time as the above Robins brothers offences occured.

Maybe some of their former & current neighbours have some good helpful information to help solve these matters.

Who did Greg HUTT have contracts with to obtain the funds to pay for it?

Who signed contracts for ACC at the time?

What was the tendering process?

1995-1996 are years that keep surfacing in a number of questionable practices within ACC all around the countryside.

Which longterm staff are still employed by ACC from that time that should've gone at the time of other serious investigations?
Martin Williscroft is one name that springs to our minds.

Looks like there may need to be a few big buildings full of information to go through and hopefully anyone whom has records or knows about anything relating to these matters promptly informs the Authorities.

Incidently why didnt ACC contracted Private Investigators & those whom worked in ACC Wellington Shamrock House report these matters to the Police & http://www.sfo.govt.nz/ when they first occurred?

You can't tell us their investigative skills are that poor are they?

Or have some of them also been involved unlawful transactuions?

etc, etc

Smells very fishy to us.
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Posted 20 May 2010 - 02:00 PM

View Posthukildaspida, on May 20 2010, 01:09 PM, said:

You can't tell us their investigative skills are that poor are they?

Or have some of them also been involved unlawful transactuions?

etc, etc

Smells very fishy to us.


I think they can only investagate the fraud that they cause others to do by following instructions. as to investigate then selves for the same practices they want other to do is a bit hard.
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Posted 03 June 2010 - 12:22 PM

View Posthukildaspida, on May 17 2010, 04:23 PM, said:

http://whaleoil.gotcha.co.nz/tag/acc/

http://whaleoil.gotcha.co.nz/2010/04/27/a-...s-f-o/#comments

Is Luke Vodanovich who is listed as a Partner in Thompson Vodanovich any relation to the Vodanovich who is involved in http://sealegs.com ?

http://www.acc.co.nz have shares in http://www.sealegs.com

"On the edge of Heaven" feature article on how they live that appeared in the Sunday Star Times, Wellington, New Zealand April 12 2009 featuring Greg Hutt and his partner , Karen Craine whom are understood to operate hi-tech commerical interiors in Wellington that outfitted ACCs offices that is undersood to be under investigation.

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_8185...2/ai_n51669265/



William "Luke" Vodanovich
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Posted 03 June 2010 - 12:46 PM

View Posthukildaspida, on Apr 20 2010, 04:31 PM, said:

Mr Laurie Edwards press release re ACC CALLS IN SFO.

http://www.mediacom....008_md13455.doc
Mr Laurie Edwards includes his mobile phone number for contact.



Another case of acc lies

http://www.accforum.org/forums/index.php?s...ic=9349&hl=

Mr Warren Smith from the Waikato should be making a formal complaint to the Police & http://www.sfo.govt.nz/ as the people concerned whom have mislead both himself & also that of a Court of Law are not "isolated incidents".

This kind of behaviour has been going on within ACC & there Legal Team of inhouse experts for many years to a number of people whom have had dealings with ACC.

It's time such unlawful behaviour was stopped for once & for all & prosecutions against those whom have carried out such behaviour was taken.

The people whom have been carrying out such unlawful behaviour are accountable for the way they have been disbursing public funds into their own pockets & not been made accountable.

Whom is to say the same people in ACC's Legal Team over the years, whom must have had knowledge about the Property & other transactions that are currently under investigation by the Authorities, are not the very same people whom have incited the removal of documents from files?

The reality is there is more than one set of files & people must ask for a copy of ALL sets of files (including all internal memos) in more than one application e.g. Ask for a copy from your Branch, Head Office - including ACCs Investigation Unit (even if you are not aware of being investigated), Legal Dept & Treatment Providers as well as the Courts.

That is the only way to find out exactly where & whom has removed documents.

There is evidence out there removal of documents has occured between parties involved prior to documents going to Review & Court & The Crown Law office.

Such a pattern of conduct & the subsequent outcomes have all contributed to people ending up resorting to ask for WINZ assistance when they were previously independent & gainfully employed.
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Posted 03 June 2010 - 01:22 PM

Have any ACC staff involved in this Investigation been suspended without pay?
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Posted 04 June 2010 - 03:57 PM

New UK Laws re Bribery Act 2010 etc that the Authorities in NZ and other countries could learn a thing or two from.


http://www.opsi.gov....a_20100023_en_1

http://www.justice.g...ribery-bill.htm

http://www.sfo.gov.uk/
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Posted 23 July 2010 - 04:54 PM

View Posthukildaspida, on 04 June 2010 - 03:57 PM, said:

New UK Laws re Bribery Act 2010 etc that the Authorities in NZ and other countries could learn a thing or two from.


http://www.opsi.gov....a_20100023_en_1

http://www.justice.g...ribery-bill.htm

http://www.sfo.gov.uk/



A piece of NZ legislation some of you may or may not be aware of that perhaps should be used in any prosecution proceedures should there be the need in respect of ACC matters under investigation.

Secret Commissions Act 1910

http://www.legislati....html#dlm177643

http://www.legislati.../DLM177643.html
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Posted 06 August 2010 - 05:58 PM

Interelated topic please read Barry Davis thread.

http://www.accforum....53-barry-davis/

Is it true that Barry Davis was been implicated in the Jeff Chapman, Robins brothers & Bill Cochrane cases in some way or another?

Barry's father Michael was a Techn Auditor.

Wouldn't you think Barry John Davis would be knowledgable,taking into account his own fathers career background, of whom Mr Jeff Chapman had to report his expenses to?

It's understood Barry Davis's wife, Marianne, has spent time in her career as an Accountant.

Some files need to be reexamined to see who may have ommitted to tell the full truth as a witness etc.
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Posted 07 August 2010 - 08:04 PM

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ACC calls in SFO
BusinessDay.co.nz Last updated 12:32 20/04/2010

The Accident Compensation Corporation (ACC) says it has referred "matters of concern" to the Serious Fraud Office (SFO).

"While investigating a staff member's failure to follow internal policies and procedures other matters of concern were uncovered. Owing to the nature, potential scale and duration of those matters we believed it was appropriate to refer them to the SFO", said Dr Jan White, ACC Chief Executive.

"We have passed information to the SFO and will now await their consideration of whether a formal investigation is warranted."

ACC says the worker has been dismissed for failing to follow policies and procedures.

Its board has told the Minister for ACC of the issue, as well as the State Services Commission, Department of Prime Minister and Cabinet, Department of Labour and Auditor General.

http://www.stuff.co....CC-calls-in-SFO


What a load of fucking crap

Nick Snith has been given heaps of evidence that shows ACC are totally corrupt, not only in the property stuff as above, but evidence that AON CATALYST and ACC case managers were interfering with claimants accessments to get them off ACC .... NICK SMITH you are a fucking wanker mate!

We pay our levies so we expect to be heard by you you

..... oh, I forgot, when ever your arse is backed against the wall, you get Pansy to sort it out .... what a plonker you are Nick Smith!
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Posted 19 August 2010 - 05:21 PM

the newly appointed staff at http://www.sfo.govt.nz

are included in this article and some have interesting backgrounds.

http://www.scoop.co....1006/S00191.htm
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