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Posted 06 October 2009 - 06:29 PM

I recently changed case managers due to a change in address. My new case manager arranged a meeting with me almost immediately. Luckily I had a support person/witness with me as my new case manager told me and I quote that "ACC will now try to find any little thing to exit you". He also stated that ACC are out to try and prove that the remaining problems I suffer after a brain injury in 2008 were present before the accident. This is ludicrous as I didn't suffer from the aforementioned problems before the accident. My witness who advocates for people with brain injuries, was staggered at his verbal admission.

My new case manager is now sending me for yet another IOA and IMA - they bungled the first by not giving me a choice of specialists and by not issuing me with the IOA report before the the IMA. There were also fabrications/errors on the IOA report with jobs that I knew nothing about being added - Antony Asteriadis ticked all the boxes saying I could do the jobs even though I told him that I hadn't seen the report and informed him that there were jobs which weren't even discussed at the IOA. A day after the meeting with my new case manager my GP informed me that said new case manager had contacted him asking for proof that my continuing symptoms were due to factors other than the accident and resulting brain injury.

I have contacted the Health and Disability Commissioner as I am completely unhappy about the shoddy treatment that ACC have thrown at me since the accident in Feb 2008. I have recieved no rehabilitation in that time - I've been doing it by myself and devising my own programmes. ACC are completely ignoring my health issues and they are desperate to exit me by my own case managers' admission. I have yet to recieve a response from the Health and Disability Commissioner but I'm not holding my breath. There are other facets to my case involving poor service from ACC contractors but it would take me a couple of hours to recount it all. I realise that my case manager has his exit bonus in mind and at the moment he is like a Jack Russel Terrier with a bone in his mouth. He even emails me to ask if I've been given appointment times from the 'assessors' yet...this guy is keen - pity he isn't keen to actually help me with accident related health issues.

The list of IMA and IOA (4 choices each) I have been given are as follows:

Any advice on the following ACC hatchet men/women would be appreciated


IMA

Anthony Asteriadis (I know to avoid this guy)
Dr R Mayhew
Dr D Dryson
Dr S Gavaghan
Dr R Nicholson
Dr D Scott
Dr Kelman
Dr M Denby
Dr Warren Groarke (I know to avoid this guy)
Dr Karl Cole
Dr Simon Mayhew
Dr Kennelly
Dr G Farr

IOA

Marea Brown
Robin Cooper or Anita Patil
Maeria Koligi
Sharyn Elstob
Sylvia Keet
Leigh Cowden
John Rodgers
Lee Brodie
Integrated Partners in Health Ltd (IPH)
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Posted 06 October 2009 - 07:14 PM

View Postmajortom, on Oct 6 2009, 06:29 PM, said:

I recently changed case managers due to a change in address. My new case manager arranged a meeting with me almost immediately. Luckily I had a support person/witness with me as my new case manager told me and I quote that "ACC will now try to find any little thing to exit you". He also stated that ACC are out to try and prove that the remaining problems I suffer after a brain injury in 2008 were present before the accident. This is ludicrous as I didn't suffer from the aforementioned problems before the accident. My witness who advocates for people with brain injuries, was staggered at his verbal admission.

My new case manager is now sending me for yet another IOA and IMA - they bungled the first by not giving me a choice of specialists and by not issuing me with the IOA report before the the IMA. There were also fabrications/errors on the IOA report with jobs that I knew nothing about being added - Antony Asteriadis ticked all the boxes saying I could do the jobs even though I told him that I hadn't seen the report and informed him that there were jobs which weren't even discussed at the IOA. A day after the meeting with my new case manager my GP informed me that said new case manager had contacted him asking for proof that my continuing symptoms were due to factors other than the accident and resulting brain injury.

I have contacted the Health and Disability Commissioner as I am completely unhappy about the shoddy treatment that ACC have thrown at me since the accident in Feb 2008. I have recieved no rehabilitation in that time - I've been doing it by myself and devising my own programmes. ACC are completely ignoring my health issues and they are desperate to exit me by my own case managers' admission. I have yet to recieve a response from the Health and Disability Commissioner but I'm not holding my breath. There are other facets to my case involving poor service from ACC contractors but it would take me a couple of hours to recount it all. I realise that my case manager has his exit bonus in mind and at the moment he is like a Jack Russel Terrier with a bone in his mouth. He even emails me to ask if I've been given appointment times from the 'assessors' yet...this guy is keen - pity he isn't keen to actually help me with accident related health issues.

The list of IMA and IOA (4 choices each) I have been given are as follows:

Any advice on the following ACC hatchet men/women would be appreciated
IMA

Anthony Asteriadis (I know to avoid this guy)
Dr R Mayhew
Dr D Dryson
Dr S Gavaghan
Dr R Nicholson
Dr D Scott
Dr Kelman
Dr M Denby
Dr Warren Groarke (I know to avoid this guy)
Dr Karl Cole
Dr Simon Mayhew
Dr Kennelly
Dr G Farr

IOA

Marea Brown
Robin Cooper or Anita Patil
Maeria Koligi
Sharyn Elstob
Sylvia Keet
Leigh Cowden
John Rodgers
Lee Brodie
Integrated Partners in Health Ltd (IPH)


Heres a link to Gavin farr He"s a bit of a grumpy orthopeadic from my experience ALWAYS take a recorder to these assessments anyway and a support person to ask questions and support/witness.

http://accforum.org/forums/?cx=partner-pub...&sa=Go#1023

There's alot of pressure for IMA DR's to write assessments that suite to exit or not and ask the assessor to post a copy of the assessment directly to you as if the assessment doesn't support exit...It may be thrown away and not mentioned in your file. Go through the list by google search on the top right of th is screen and this is your decision who to select... Others opinions will veary due to their obvious impairments which makes it easier for these assessors to report on.

If you need further help and get stuck repost exactly where your needs can be addressed most on the forum are more than willing to direct to assist but if it is complicated due to your surcumstances its hard and others are usually trying to gain headroom on their own cases.. You can approach advocate s for legal assistance but beware of who helps as well ...
Some advos want to be paid for services that can be very minimal in assistance...

Post questions in your thread if you get stuck...

I hope this helps

Good luck

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Posted 06 October 2009 - 07:39 PM

A simple question; 'have you ever had a pre-employment or an insurance/ medical/ diving physical check?.'

if you have a mental/physical problem it will have been noted , if not it is not existing .

the time frame is very important.
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Posted 06 October 2009 - 07:45 PM

View Postgreg, on Oct 6 2009, 08:39 PM, said:

A simple question; 'have you ever had a pre-employment or an insurance/ medical/ diving physical check?.'

if you have a mental/physical problem it will have been noted , if not it is not existing .

the time frame is very important.


No I haven't had any previous medical examination that noted any mental or physical problems that can be attributed to continuing symptoms. Cheers.
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Posted 06 October 2009 - 07:50 PM

Didn't ask that. what written evidence or reports have you got to prove ACC wrong?.
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Posted 06 October 2009 - 07:53 PM

View Postmutilated, on Oct 6 2009, 08:14 PM, said:

Heres a link to Gavin farr He"s a bit of a grumpy orthopeadic from my experience ALWAYS take a recorder to these assessments anyway and a support person to ask questions and support/witness.

http://accforum.org/forums/?cx=partner-pub...&sa=Go#1023

There's alot of pressure for IMA DR's to write assessments that suite to exit or not and ask the assessor to post a copy of the assessment directly to you as if the assessment doesn't support exit...It may be thrown away and not mentioned in your file. Go through the list by google search on the top right of th is screen and this is your decision who to select... Others opinions will veary due to their obvious impairments which makes it easier for these assessors to report on.

If you need further help and get stuck repost exactly where your needs can be addressed most on the forum are more than willing to direct to assist but if it is complicated due to your surcumstances its hard and others are usually trying to gain headroom on their own cases.. You can approach advocate s for legal assistance but beware of who helps as well ...
Some advos want to be paid for services that can be very minimal in assistance...

Post questions in your thread if you get stuck...

I hope this helps

Good luck

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Thanks for that. I really want to break free from ACC's clutches - even to the point where I asked my GP to give me the all clear despite continuing health issues resulting from my accident. He declined. I even suggested trying voluntary work to asess my capabilities and how many hours I could do but ACC rubbished my idea and said that if I could do voluntary work I could go back to regular work full time. I really believe ACC have hindered me - they are not interested in rehabilitating.
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Posted 06 October 2009 - 08:02 PM

View Postgreg, on Oct 6 2009, 08:50 PM, said:

Didn't ask that. what written evidence or reports have you got to prove ACC wrong?.


I do have a report from a well respected specialist who stated that continuing memory, fatigue, concentration, dizziness issues etc are a result of the accident. I haven't had any pre employment or insurance medicals . ACC don't have anything to prove that these continuing health issues existed before the accident - (which they didn't). This is why they are scrambling around trying to find something.
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Posted 06 October 2009 - 08:06 PM

If you dont have anything [reports]that proves ACC are wrong , try using this forum database to help correct you in ACC matters.
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Posted 06 October 2009 - 08:12 PM

View Postmajortom, on Oct 6 2009, 07:53 PM, said:

Thanks for that. I really want to break free from ACC's clutches - even to the point where I asked my GP to give me the all clear despite continuing health issues resulting from my accident. He declined. I even suggested trying voluntary work to asess my capabilities and how many hours I could do but ACC rubbished my idea and said that if I could do voluntary work I could go back to regular work full time. I really believe ACC have hindered me - they are not interested in rehabilitating.



HDC can look into complaints of GP's (specific breeches of practic only usually) But won't assist on the issues with acc....Juristctional problems...

They will only reply with its not their juristiction complain then review then Ombudsmen is the long process.

Be specific in your complaints or you will not achieve anything going through acc complaint dept...Case mismanagers get away with lots of shite.....

If your not being satasfied to your assistance with the Gp to push for acc to back off due to stress (Get another Gp )

Its not easy to go on no info....


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Posted 06 October 2009 - 08:16 PM

View Postgreg, on Oct 6 2009, 09:06 PM, said:

If you dont have anything [reports]that proves ACC are wrong , try using this forum database to help correct you in ACC matters.


I'm not quite with you Greg but thanks for your input
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Posted 06 October 2009 - 08:20 PM

Get your support person to sign a stat dec of what the case manager said.

Then lay a complaint with ACC complaints, there must be at least 4 diffrent breaches of the code.
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Posted 06 October 2009 - 08:22 PM

Majortom - ACC is implementing a strategey to "reassess" cover and entitlements and if you pass that test you are then subjected to ACC's new "tough love" (covert) policy.
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Posted 06 October 2009 - 08:27 PM

Greggs right about written evidence to prove ACC wrong.

Even pre accident work histroy may help you here. If you have any!!

These days you get 6 o 12 monthly performance appraisal which show your strengths and weekness's and if you had a problem with any of the same symptoms you do now, pre injury they would tend to show up here or at your GP.

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Posted 06 October 2009 - 08:34 PM

View PostMINI, on Oct 6 2009, 09:27 PM, said:

Greggs right about written evidence to prove ACC wrong.

Even pre accident work histroy may help you here. If you have any!!

These days you get 6 o 12 monthly performance appraisal which show your strengths and weekness's and if you had a problem with any of the same symptoms you do now, pre injury they would tend to show up here or at your GP.

Mini


I see....well my pre accident work history doesn't contain any of the problems experienced after the accident and my GP's records will show I haven't presented with any of the current problems until AFTER the accident. I've been with my current GP for around 10 years so he will have all of my visits to him well documented.
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Posted 06 October 2009 - 08:51 PM

Well get you GP to write that to ACC and suggest a Mental caused by Physical psychiatric assessment for IA. If you are in Auckland way I suggest DR Codyre. Get him to measure your pre-injury % of WPI betweeen the Mental and the Physical. If what you suspect is true he will not find any Mental or if he does it will be because of the Physical, which means it is all related to your accident.

If he doesnt and you didnt have these problems pre- injury then he will find you have permanent impairment from your brain injury itself.

Just a suggestion by worth a go. We are not looking at you staying permanently on ACC we are only giving you the right to be assessed as you should be because you have had a head injury and still have on-going problems.

Worth a think about if nothing else.

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Posted 06 October 2009 - 09:03 PM

View PostMINI, on Oct 6 2009, 09:51 PM, said:

Well get you GP to write that to ACC and suggest a Mental caused by Physical psychiatric assessment for IA. If you are in Auckland way I suggest DR Codyre. Get him to measure your pre-injury % of WPI betweeen the Mental and the Physical. If what you suspect is true he will not find any Mental or if he does it will be because of the Physical, which means it is all related to your accident.

If he doesnt and you didnt have these problems pre- injury then he will find you have permanent impairment from your brain injury itself.

Just a suggestion by worth a go. We are not looking at you staying permanently on ACC we are only giving you the right to be assessed as you should be because you have had a head injury and still have on-going problems.

Worth a think about if nothing else.

Mini


Thanks for that Mini - that sounds like good advice. The right to be assessed properly is the only thing I want - I would rather join a security firm in Afghanistan than be in ACCs clutches permanently! :)
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Posted 07 October 2009 - 02:05 PM

Hey Hey!! dont blame you!!

Get back to us if you want anything

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Posted 08 April 2012 - 02:16 PM

Still goes on
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Posted 08 April 2012 - 02:57 PM

unless these doctors have "fully examined you"

read and examined your MRI, CT Ultrasound, Blood tests

then their "opinion" has been used for fiduciary gain

this has got to stop!!!! and it wont, until everyone who has been exited on OPINION writes a formal complaint

write a complaints to the HDC...
cc this complaint to the medical Council

Who-the doctor was
Where-the 'examination" took place
Why-you were sent there, vocational, independence, exit
What-happened on that day, did the doctor listen to your signs and symptoms, did they agree with your specialist to your face, then write complete crap?
How-you want the matter resolved

this is ALL the HDC need, to escalate this into a formal complaint.

There is a lot of paperwork to be done, as you have all seen by the 45 point list assembled by Bronwyn

Dont let the defamation of her character, and the political sideshow, stop us from making a difference...

Go for it...email these off....and make sure you cc them also to

[email protected]

[email protected]

[email protected]

[email protected]

[email protected]

[email protected]


most of the ministers are 1st name.last [email protected]

some like minister Collins have Capitals as in [email protected]

winston peters uses his secretariat address...these are all on the parliament website

http://www.parliamen...ontact-list.htm

Time os of the essence, lets make sure a Royal Commission of enquiry happens...

its all in the stroke of a pen...

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