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about to undergo a Vocational Independence Medical Assesment Request for advice prior to undergoing a Vocational

#1 User is offline   Saul 

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  Posted 14 October 2008 - 02:01 PM

Just stumbled upon this forum, so I am a little green - I am about to undergo a Vocational Independence Medical Assesment with a Dr Turner. I am quite concerned as my case manager has already established a willingness to disregard the medical opinions of my primary health providers (GP and Pain specialist- even though they were commissioned by ACC) and I have heard that a Dr Turner has been described as having a similar tendency. To date I have had the active support (of a pain specialist - he has informed ACC that he dissagres with a specialists report they commisioned that infers a pre-existing condition) who I have heard described as an ACC hatchet man I am not sure whether this is in my favor or not? This process is astoundingly poisonous im flabbergasted. Would appreciate any advice any of you could give me to assit in protecting my interests throughout this process.
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Posted 14 October 2008 - 02:21 PM

This is the beginning of the end you need advice and quick....one number to ring is 03 3792429 and ask for murray thats if you are in chch please put up where you are if not and another forum member may be able to tell you where to go . cheers
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Posted 14 October 2008 - 02:25 PM

Now this was organized for the IMA after another IOA.

You will need something similar

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Job Summaries

91412 Loader and/or checker

Due to the injury, many of the duties in this occupation are working in all weather conditions, lifting and carrying are constant, repetitive movements are frequent, driving of forklifts and other equipment frequent and requires mental skills of organisation and practical. The PSTD has limited my thinking and organising skills making this occupational impossible to carry out.

41312 Dispatch and Receiving Clerk

The duties in this occupation require fine motor skill work for filling out dispatch notes, exposure to current weather conditions, constant standing, lifting and carrying constantly, driving of forklifts, use of minor office and hand tools and requires mental skills of organisation and practical. Working in cold weather affects the extremities as in the medical reports from specialists. This occupation is therefore impracticable.

41311 Stock Clerk

Stock Clerk duties include standing, lifting and carrying, repetitive arm hand and finger movements are constant, use of minor office tools are frequent and require mental skills of organisation and practical. The use of minor office tools is very limited as hands swell when in constant use. This is the known fact with my injury that there is a very limited time period that the hands can be used.

91411 Packer

Packer involves standing constantly, lifting and carrying, repetitive hand movements are common, cold conditions are common and requires mental skills of organisation. Repetitive hand movements cause severe aggravation and subsequently pain in hands as per medical reports therefore this occupation is out of my capability.

91514 General Labourer

General labourer is the position I held at PPCS where my injury originated from. Labouring involves tasks of working outdoors (or cold) constant standing, heavy lifting carrying and pulling or pushing frequently, and repetitive movements frequently. As it was this former occupation that caused the injury, this type of occupation for me to participate in should be dismissed, as it will only aggravate my injury further.

91111 Cleaner

Cleaning duties involve gripping with the hands to sweep, scrub, and polishing floors. Outdoor work, standing constantly, light to medium lifting or pulling and repetitive movements are also a necessity of this occupation. Medical reports state gripping or repetitive motions aggravate my injury it is therefore applicable that this occupation is again outside of my capabilities and should be avoided so as to not aggravate my injury.


41443 General Clerk

General clerk includes duties of repetitive arm hand and finger movements on a constant basis, use of hand tools on a frequent basis and requires sound level of keyboarding, mental skills of organisation and practical. Again this occupation is out of my capabilities because of repetitiveness in the duties it is therefore impracticable that this occupation be recommended.


41444 Office Machine Operator

Machine operator has duties of loading of paper and insertion of stencils, standing frequently, lifting and carrying, use of minor office tools, carry out repairs and adjustments and requires mental skills of organisation and practical. Fine skills such as loading of machinery and use of minor office tools should be avoided as per medical reports. Standing is also an issue because pain from standing for periods dissabilitates me. My injury prevents me from carrying out many of the duties involved in this occupation and so therefore should be avoided.

41412 Record and Filing Clerk

Record and filing clerk is another occupation that has duties of operating binding and covering equipment, standing frequently, lifting and carrying, repetitive arm hand and finger movements, use of minor hand tools and requires mental skills of organisation and practical. Lifting and carrying should be avoided as these alone aggravate my injury.

33422 Teacher Aide

Teacher Aide is an occupation that I am very familiar with. I am unable to carry out many of the duties in this occupation as it involves standing frequently, lifting carrying and holding, repetitive movements with hands, use of tools and power tools and requires mental skills of organisation and practical. My PTSD diagnosis prevents me from mental skills and practicable skills. The lifting and repetitiveness of the duties also would be a factor on aggravation of my injury. As I am involved in this occupation at School I am able to recognise that many of the duties are outside of my capability and therefore this occupation is impossible for me to do on a full time basis.


31142 Computer Systems Technician

Computer system technician is what my social employment is currently classified as. Although this job is an excellent occupation it is still outside of my capabilities to do this over a prolonged period. Duties in this occupation include machine repair and maintenance, standing frequently, medium lifting, use of hand tools and power tools, repetitive movements on a frequent basis and requires mental skills of organisation and practical. My injury deteriorates with repetitiveness and lifting. The need for fine motor skills is also affected by my injury. Many of the duties are unable to be conducted by myself and frequently the use of students to contribute to the duties is the only thing that allows me to continue this social occupation at the school. It is therefore noted that this occupation is impracticable during the course of a full day.


83212 Light Truck or Van Driver

Light truck or van driver involves many duties that are outside of my capability. These include working in all weather conditions, lifting and carrying frequently, repetitive hand and arm movements on a frequent basis, driving frequently and requires mental skills of organisation and practical. It is noted in medical reports that my driving capability of around 2 to 3 hours in any day contributes to increased pain and swelling of the hands. It is also noted occupations that involve working in cold conditions need to be avoided; therefore this occupation is again not a viable option.

52111 Sales Assistant (Electronic and Related Goods)

Sales assistant is an occupation I am familiar with from when I was employed at the computer/video shop. Duties of writing invoices or dockets, standing frequently, lift and pass items, lifting pulling or carrying, repetitive hand and finger movements on a frequent basis, use of hand tools frequently and requires mental skills of organisation and practical. Handling of items such as money is unable to be pursued. Lack of fine motor skills and no sensory feeling in hands and repetitiveness prevents me from pursuing this occupation.


82922 Electric and Electronic Equipment Assembler

Electric and electronic equipment assembler includes duties of standing constantly, frequently on concrete floors, handling tools on a frequent basis, many tasks are repetitive, use of hand power and machine tools and requires mental skills of organisation and practical. As my injury involves sensory loss, electrical shocks and heat extremities are not detected until damage has been done. The repetitive movements in this occupation are also a factor that it aggravates my injury and causes pain and stiffness. This occupation need to be kept well clear of as it's potentially a life threatening situation for me to be engaged in.

You want help to have a document of this type that will turn turners assessment into one of the best report then lets get down to it and don't waist time.

This will require you to do activities that you and others do not do, but ACC say that you can do this and that is why they have chosen those occupations.

get real or loose your entitlements.

why don't you list the jobs that ACC say that you have experience knowledge and training at and then I show you haw to write the report which will either say that you need more training or physical can not carry out the occupation for more than 35 hours per week.

But be warned that you might end up in employment working a few hours which will give you an increase in what you are receiving now.

I will require you to get facts and not bull shit. which may have a problem with the Occupational assessment.

It is up to you to contact me and not me to contact you.
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Posted 14 October 2008 - 02:36 PM

 batman, on Oct 14 2008, 03:21 PM, said:

This is the beginning of the end you need advice and quick....one number to ring is 03 3792429 and ask for murray thats if you are in chch please put up where you are if not and another forum member may be able to tell you where to go . cheers


Thanks, Im in Auckland so if anyone has any refferals for this area that would be great. In the mean time I'll try the Ch Ch no you gave me.
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Posted 14 October 2008 - 03:16 PM

Batman.....is that Murray jorgenson????
good man
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Posted 14 October 2008 - 03:22 PM

wait to get the Exit decision because they need money to live on and so far have not placed on here how to prepare for an assessment.

First task is to gather IRP and check that the correct injuries are written in the IRP. more than likely the only injury is the injury that is in the claim acceptance letter as in the Corporation policy.

Is the incapacity written in the IRP. if not get it there using your Dr.

Now you will be able to obtain from your Dr what activities that should not be carried out in work activities. Don't forget that some activities may only be able to be carried out for short periods of time Make sure that is included.

Now get a CV organized and for each of the occupations that are listed you are going to try and get a job. Each of the prospective employers will need to fill in a form to see if it is your injury is the reason why you can not get an occupation in that employment.

when you get to the assessment the Dr will be taking the information from the documentation that you have gathered.

If you are offered employment that you can carry out for less than 35 hours per week you will receive Compensation and wages as in the Act.

Remember the Minimum that ACC are required to do is to assess you and claim that you have regained or acquired vocational independence.

Vocational Independence is to have you assessed to see if you can carry out the activities that are required in a lowed paid non skilled employment for more than 35 hours per week.

It is easier to gain these documents now than gain them latter. you should also consider that if ACC make the decision that you are vocational Independent then you will also need to find a sum of money over $1,000.00 to overturn the decision. your specialist will need to to prove that turner is wrong which depending on the judges attitude can be impossible to obtain.

Good luck and remember come back.

Why don't I say to go and get an advocate, lawyer because it won't fix your problem and next week there will be some one else asking the same thing.
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Posted 14 October 2008 - 04:16 PM

WHATEVER YOU DO, DO NOT GO TO TURNER. ON NO ACCOUNT GO NEAR THE MAN

You have a choice so ask CM for a list of assessors.

You definitely need advice and an advocate or ACC experienced lawyer will help you.

You are on the slippery slope to exit and do not let it get you that far. It must be stopped right now.
It is too late once you get a decision,so,

get your file copy- Ask CM for your copy file within 21 days.
Get the VIA delayed
No more phone calls to CM all in writing
Record everything
Is it possible for your GP to send you to another neurosurgeon or whoever? If your injuries are spinal, a neurosurgeon is a good idea

Have you been to an Initial Occuparion assessment or are they doing a section 103 on you??

So dont go near Turner, but the good thing is that there have been some district court decisions made against him of late and he was rubbished by 2 judges.
Good luck
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Posted 14 October 2008 - 07:03 PM

Also interested to hear of anyones experiences with a successfull review of a desision of vocational independence based on a shonky irp??
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Posted 14 October 2008 - 08:17 PM

Wont be a shonky IRP, it will be a shonky Turner or his ilk.
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Posted 14 October 2008 - 11:16 PM

 Saul, on Oct 14 2008, 08:03 PM, said:

Also interested to hear of anyones experiences with a successfull review of a desision of vocational independence based on a shonky irp??



If you feel your IRP is shonky.....you must not sign it. If you signed it, you can ask for it to be updated and use your right of imput to make sure all injuries are mentioned for one.....then you can ask for rehab social and vocational. You can delay the assessment by asking for a list to choose from if you haven't been provided a choice at this date..they hate it when you write that is would be unreasonable of them to expect you to attend an assessment when they haven't given you a choice.....while you're waiting arrange to update your IRP.

You have time to have your dr refer you to a specialist for an update on your situation.

It is much harder to fix up the problems once you get shafted.....so many months and years of delay which oftimes financially beggars the family......for heavens sake get working on it now.

No one knows your file like you do......take responsibility and stay up with the play at all times for your own sake. Lawyers and advocates some good some bad have left claimants high and dry because they didn't have all the facts.....or even because they didn't have the time to gather or understand all the facts.

And good luck. Gloria.
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Posted 15 October 2008 - 07:25 AM

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It is much harder to fix up the problems once you get shafted.....so many months and years of delay which oftimes financially beggars the family......for heavens sake get working on it now.


Very wise words

Even if some of us still got sharfted while trying to fix accs intentional contamination of our files etc, Gloria speaks very wise words in todays world
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#12 User is offline   Bill Birch 

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Posted 15 October 2008 - 08:13 AM

 Saul, on Oct 14 2008, 08:03 PM, said:

Also interested to hear of anyones experiences with a successfull review of a desision of vocational independence based on a shonky irp??



http://www.acc.co.nz/DIS_EXT_CSMP/groups/e..._ctrb090350.pdf

http://www.acc.co.nz/DIS_EXT_CSMP/groups/e..._ctrb092578.pdf
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