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ACC Policy on electricity costs Huggy's work bears fruit

#1 User is offline   MG 

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Posted 09 July 2008 - 01:51 AM

New policy: Contributions to injury-related increased electricity costs
ACC has defined its policy relating to when ACC can contribute to increased electricity costs associated with the running of injury related electrical home aids and appliances when specific criteria are met. This policy relates to aids and appliances that are likely to increase a clients electricity costs, eg electric wheelchairs, respiratory ventilators, extra heating appliances etc. For more information on eligibility criteria, see Staff > Informe > Entitlements, rehabilitation, treatment > Rehabilitation > Social rehabilitation > Entitlements > Aids and appliances.
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#2 User is offline   Huggy 

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Posted 09 July 2008 - 08:46 AM

That is excellent.

Well done ACC for acknowledging electricity costs.

Thanks to you to MG for all your work in this as well.
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Posted 09 July 2008 - 09:18 AM

Bloody excellent.

I may go get the cost of gas to the house cause I couldnt carry in the fire wood.

Blurb you should see about your heating costs through WINZ

I will have a read of those bit MG. Thanks
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Posted 09 July 2008 - 02:36 PM

Brilliant work guys :)

Does this also mean that Informe is now publically available?
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#5 User is offline   Alan Thomas 

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Posted 09 July 2008 - 03:26 PM

Never mind the length of ACC policy, feel the width of the legislation. Legislation requires the ACC to fund all costs incurred as a result of the incapacity caused by injury. What ACC are doing is creating policy as a mechanism to fix their liability then depend upon the carefully programme front-line robots to be wilfully obedient to their policy to the extent that they disregard legislation.

The INFORME program has always been owned by the public and therefore accessible under the Official Information Act. I got my first copy 1998 after ACC attempted to sell it to me for $1500. The reason why they wanted money for this official information is that they were about to privatise and they thought that the inform program might provide their competition with an unfair advantage. Bollocks.

Fairgo is it might be a an opportune time for someone such as you and your group to ask for an electronic copy INFORME program or at the very least Internet access to the ACC intranet so as to be satisfied that you get the most recent updates of the INFORME program every time it is modified. This would allow the various groups in New Zealand to challenge the ACC "policy" every time they make it. It would also allow groups to challenge the rationale behind the so-called "policy".

Unlike social welfare or immigration does not have "policy" in the same way as a regulation. The understanding of the ACC act is up for grabs and is not something that the ACC has any right to decide upon. They are the administrators of the act as opposed to the interpreters of the act.
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#6 User is offline   Bill Birch 

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Posted 09 July 2008 - 03:37 PM

View PostAlan Thomas, on Jul 9 2008, 03:26 PM, said:

Legislation requires the ACC to fund all costs incurred as a result of the incapacity caused by injury.


Alan, As this is an untrue statement that cannot be supported, do you think that you can arrange Admin to delete your post.

Thank you.
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#7 User is offline   Alan Thomas 

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Posted 09 July 2008 - 03:46 PM

David the whole idea of having discourse on the site is to discuss such matters. If you think I'm wrong please explain why you think I'm wrong otherwise try not to mislead people based on personalities
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#8 User is offline   Bill Birch 

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Posted 09 July 2008 - 04:01 PM

View PostAlan Thomas, on Jul 9 2008, 03:46 PM, said:

David the whole idea of having discourse on the site is to discuss such matters. If you think I'm wrong please explain why you think I'm wrong otherwise try not to mislead people based on personalities


Sorry, I thought with your education at Mt Eden law school that you would have been familar with the legislation, you know, like treatment regulations and weekly comp being 80% of your income as a couple of examples. Perhaps you can be excused thinking that you get a free ride due to your socialist thinking. Not that there is anything wrong with that, so don't take it personally.
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Posted 09 July 2008 - 04:14 PM

David it seems that you have missed the point. ACC policy is not regulations! Regulations are a separate creature to the ACC opinion. As I suggested before compared the terminology with social welfare and immigration.

Medwyn when we referred to INFORME we are talking about the information contained within a computer programme and not the actual software. The EOS system from Ireland is simply a software programme and has nothing whatsoever to do with ACC policy itself but is merely the vessel for ACC to place their viewpoint and instructions to their staff etc.
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Posted 09 July 2008 - 04:55 PM

I think ACC tried to sell a copy of INFORM to Thomas for $1500 because they had already spotted he was a loser.
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#11 User is offline   Alan Thomas 

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Posted 09 July 2008 - 10:43 PM

Medwyn To use the word we because either I'm schizophrenic or I am referring to my colleagues.

With regards to INFORME in comparison with EOS one cannot be compared with the other is the nature of the software there is no functional resemblance and does not even share either the same type of information or actual purpose. INFORME is simply an ad hoc instructional guide whereby EOS is a management tool in the form of a type of database. There is not much point in us having a discussion about something you clearly know nothing about. I would suggest if you want to discuss this topic you should first obtain yourself copies of this material and study it as I have.
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Posted 10 July 2008 - 06:08 AM

Stop blogging the thread its all about ACC accept they need to cover electricity costs.
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Posted 10 July 2008 - 09:41 AM

Agreed Huggy,
This thread is VERY important for those who because are required to run extra electricity as a DIRECT result of their injuries. This can be a huge cost and I for one congratulate Huggy and MG for making this part of ACC policy. Well done guys!!
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Posted 10 July 2008 - 11:27 AM

I agree those of us that work hard to get our entitlements, need to get the message of this thread out to those who need to know of Huggies success, just as those needing to know of the vehicle win/s needed to know what was available. Well in some corners of the world anywhay.

Mind you I for one am also fasinated by the royal 'we', in that I do not beleive for a moment that Alan is alone in his strugggles.

He may have to attend Reviews Court etc by himself as who would be seen dead with him in the capacity of an unpaid or lowly paid avocate???

That would ruin any credibility or career in a real hurry.

What Reviewer or Judge would take the same person seriously.....................none I should think!!!

So while the substantive issue of the heating arrangements is very interesting. I find the deviation interesting also.

Cheers
Mini
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#15 User is offline   Alan Thomas 

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Posted 10 July 2008 - 01:14 PM

Although the ACC revamp and reword their policy and legislation remains the same. Put simply the ACC carries the burden of liability for all injury related costs for which there is an entitlement subsequent to cover including electricity with additional electricity is needed. In my own case there was considerable dispute about the additional electricity that is actually paid and the legal requirements of existed within are exactly the same as now.

Are we simply being victims of the new latest propaganda so as to distract the attention from very extensive ACC liability by trying to create a new start point to that liability?
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Posted 10 July 2008 - 05:51 PM

What has this thread got to do with you Thomas, apart from ACCs contingent liability for electricity costs when they send you to the electric chair?
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Posted 19 July 2008 - 10:24 PM

$200 mine. sux eh
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Posted 20 July 2008 - 09:31 AM

food grants from winz but have used up limit so doing the rounds of the charities whome I might add have been more helpful than winz despite having a budget advisor a social worker and an advocate helping me get nothing but basic from the much vaunted saftey net, Yeah Right!.
Oh how the mighty have stuffed me.
So stiff shit all taxpayers I am officially now become a bludger on your incomes one and all, and you know what?
I don't give a stuff blame ACC and the Labour conspiracy.
Key just wants to privatise me, the greens want me to pay for farts, and winnie just runs about pooing everywhere saying NO
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Posted 20 July 2008 - 10:42 AM

Flowers
Have you applied for a Disability Allowance? It has a max of only about $56 a week but it all helps.
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Posted 20 July 2008 - 04:25 PM

disability allowence is 31 dollars it seems it is tied to what dr visits and meds you need. we have had 3 people for six months trying to get this sorted and get absolutely no where. included also in that 31 dollars is a weelky amortisation of podiatry whioch they have somehow worked out is evry 13 weeks when podiatrists and dr letters to them (two of about 10 that I have had tio payseperately for and do not get reimbursed despite trying for fees and transport). in addition to the allowance that is included in the 31 dollars
We are also getting absolutely no where re transportation costs as they are being anal about if you cannot prove it you dont get it.
reason certs and reciepts are not available is I use mobility scooter which cost me 54 per week and heaps on power fro charging and cannot prove what it costs to fucking charge up. and use friend and sling 20 for gas and cannot get reciept. they say use taxies but no available cash to use taxies which would cost about 60 per week to get all the things I need done plus the endless chasimg about for certs and proofs for the wiz arsho;es that do not approve anything any way..
believe me the people I have helping have used all avenues abd are very experienced.
The whole thing sux and I am very depressed as this is the shit I hacve to look forward for what little life I have left...
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