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#21 User is offline   freshrain 

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Posted 22 February 2008 - 08:21 AM

Hi Redsquares,
I just googled and found NZCCP - the NZ college of clinical psychologists. I'm pretty sure this would list those psychologists who are ACC registered.

All the best
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  Posted 22 February 2008 - 08:31 AM

Lucys

There is certainly merit in having the assessment. A 12% Mental assessment is not exactly the same as a 12% wrist, such as a buggered wrist for instance. (Seeing as my two shoulders have 17%). A 12% mental disability is pretty acute. Those panic attacks are a symtem of how bad your mental state is.

Be assured, it settles after you get used to dealing with this mob and get your rights sorted. But you will probably always carry it around in the background.

Getting the assessment will mean you will not have to explain yourself or your actions of panic attacks and slightly strange behaviour anymore and this too will help things to settle, as you are not having to forever say sorry for your slightly wierd reactions to things.

Keep on in there and ring to find out where things are at. Like how long it will be. Sometimes these things can take up to 2 months or more.

I put in my application for assessment in Jan 2007 and am still waiting the outcome. Mind you have been to Review and setting up for appeal, so maybe this has slowed them down a bit.

Good luck and try to keep positive.

Love Mini
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Posted 22 February 2008 - 12:29 PM

The ductions are from previous assessments made on the claimant on the injury being assessed.
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Posted 22 February 2008 - 06:45 PM

Hi Dopple

Don't comprehende' chief???

Sorry
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Posted 22 February 2008 - 09:16 PM

The mind boggles! :lol:
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Posted 23 February 2008 - 08:08 AM

Sparrow now you have me more intriqued.

Chough up girl, what am I missing.

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Posted 23 February 2008 - 12:32 PM

Hi Guys, finally got to see Dr. Rachael Wilson (Takapuna) yesterday for Mental caused by Physical. What I found very disconcerning was that the offices that I had to attend in Takapuna were the offices of Dr. John Monash. A wee way back he wrote a report for ACC (WITHOUT SEEING ME) and his report made statements that as soon as they had finished the activity based programme they should have CLOSURE on the file - ie. EXIT.

Towards the end of the assessment Dr Wilson said to me "I am confused as to why ACC have sent you for a mental assessment". I told her to read latest specialist report which stated : SECONDARY PAIN SYNDROME caused by original injury. She also wasn't interested in the stresses that ACC have put me through over the years with P.I.'s chasing me around trying to get a fraud conviction, me taking them to court, having been forced onto an activity based programme and becoming very ill against my GP's advice to the case mangler and that my GP had to threaten to get his lawyer involved if they didn't stop my activity programme and all the other bullshit that ACC have put me through. I found this very STRANGE as this surely would all be a part of the mental caused by physical ? She also wanted to know all about my previous partners, length of time together, etc. STRANGE.

Anyways, pretty confident she is a TOADY ! I also feel that it wasn't an unbiased assessment being as she was sitting in Dr. Monash's office and that he has already written a questionable report on me.

What do you think ? Her report may be 3 weeks away before she gets it to ACC.

Rgds

PS. Had Tom Bracken for physical assessment, he seemed fine.
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Posted 23 February 2008 - 01:23 PM

Ask to see the draft report and say that you want your comments included with the report. Prob wont let you see it - but put it in writing so that it is on the file at ACC.
I think all the stress caused by ACC is a lot of your problem and should be taken into account,and all this stuff about your personal life stinks cos they just turn it around to suit them.
I wouldn't trust this woman!!
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Posted 23 February 2008 - 03:07 PM

They certainly use your personal relationships or lack of them in your assessment.

like the Pyschiatrist says that you have been through divorce or such earlier so have had stressful times in your life etc, however, you have gotten over these events of downs in your life in a manner which has enabled a sucessful life to be lived and children to be raised etc etc.

however, Assessor and IA unit come back saying that I have had these problems in the past so therefore they dont carry any weighting for backdating.

I am saying bullshit and turning into the old baggage rottwieler again and taking them to Review and Appeal if need be as all the documentation legal and substantial, medical says they are wrong. So here we go again. My god they hate paying out money eh??

On the one hand they pay out about the same amount in backdated travel for the 96,97.98 years, recently, but they hate saying that you have a friggin injury!!!

Excuse me nutting off guys and girls, but I am trying to get away from all this stuff, not make more!!! Its not good for a girls social life!!!

Good luck witchie. Will be thinking of you. Sorry I cant help much, Maybe Tomcat has some ideas.

Cheers Mini
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Posted 23 February 2008 - 04:19 PM

Hi Witchipoo,

It sounds a bit suspicious if she wouldn't let you report the stress from ACC. It's not lke it's not relevant.

I suspect she was fishing around for other possible sources of your distress, things ACC aren't liaable for. Good to come at this kind of this with a broad history of course, and it doesn't mean she wont give a fair report. As long as she didn't brush your experiences aside in looking for 'preexisting', if that's what she was doing.

Hope things go well for you and 2008 is a much better year!
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Posted 23 February 2008 - 04:52 PM

Write to the assessor complaining that she has not included the stress injury as requested by you.

I hope that you have a claim ect already confirmed.

What was the assessment for as if this is to determine cover them your GP has linked it to ACC so she will need to carry out an assessment of the injury as put in medical certificate by Dr and recorded by your case manager.

If case manager has failed to forward the information on to assessor then look at other action as possible fraud completed by case manager.

If the toadie has not completed the assessment as requested by the case manager (case manager will have listed all of the injuries to be assessed) then you have the toadie for producing a false report.

Get all of the needed information before you complete anything else.

Read section 279 as this makes the case manager liable personally if you do not receive your entitlements.
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Posted 23 February 2008 - 05:17 PM

View Postredsquare74ucys, on Jan 19 2008, 09:45 PM, said:

Thanks for being so positive. I don't think it will. As near as I can figure I seem to fluctuate between describing the symptoms as I actually experience them, and then describing how an imaginary me is responding (everything is fine for me in this imagined reality). When asked about what I experienced during panic attacks I couldn't remember ANY symptoms. So I tried to answer and said that I cried and felt paralysed. I *forgot* to mention that I can't breathe. OK, doesn't sound like much of a difference, but how am I to know if it will make a difference between say a 10% impairment or a 15%?

When asked how my emotional state is from day to day, I said "fine". WHERE THE HELL DID THAT COME FROM?? And what is wrong with me?? In reality I'm a complete mess. The ACC psychiatrist I saw for the first assessment has recommended Aprazolam (Xanax), Paroxetine, and Quetiapine (Seroquel). So far I haven't heard anything else about it, but hopefully this weird identity thing that is happening ties in with those medications.

I have spent most of the time since the assessment hating myself and how stupid I am after I made so many mistakes I think the second assessor is likely to contradict the first. I missed out so much stuff and NOW its coming back to me.

Really seems like the emotions and opinions of another person were said, not me at all.

Hi there I am new here just today. I am trying to find my way around the boards and came across this thread. I am assuming that you have gone for a sensitive claim I could be wrong. I have worked in mental Health for 10yrs and was wondering if you know what those meds are. I'm not sure of the Xanax but the paroxetine is Aropax an anti depressant and Seroquel is Quintiapan which is an anti psychotic. I too would suggest that you check out if they have any condradictions with the other meds. It seems quite a bit.
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Posted 24 February 2008 - 09:13 AM

Doppel, I am going for lump sum. Have had the physical assessment with Dr Bracken. Apparently I was supposed to see a physiatrist to have cover for the mental assessment. This was never arranged but instead they have sent me straight to the assessor for the mental caused by physical. So I am confused - she said she was confused that I hadn't seen a physiatrist first to get cover. These were all written on the injuries that were sent to the assessor, so ACC have listed the mental.

Maybe I will wait and see what she writes in her report before I lodge a complaint that I should have seen a physiatrist first before her assessment ? What do you think ?
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Posted 24 February 2008 - 09:52 AM

I after years of tears finally have been forced to believe that every action one can take to combat the effects of ACCITIS should be employed.
Passive acceptance and polite succumbment to the fraudulent activities of ACC and its KPI driven employees should not be tollerated and should be contested in every possible way.

If we aRE TO SCARED AND GUTLESS to LOG OUR DISPLEASURE AND OBJECTIONS TO THEIR DEPRIDATIONS THEN STRONGER MEASURES ARE ALL WE HAVE LEFT AND SHOULD BE EMPLOYED.

I look at the postings of many that are currently trying to advance their course by playing the ACC game and see what has gone before and the false hopes of these posters is and wiil be slowly disillusiond in the cold hard reality that
ACC DOES NOT CARE
all they are interested in is minimising costs and stuff the claimant.

So you can all go live in a fools paradise I am in reality and the reality is I hate ACC for what they have done to me. They have created their own monster and I will make them pay one way or another

When negotiation stops war follows and I am at war and mine in going to from now to the day I die be bloody and costly.

ACC you will never know when it will happen but it will so ACC tell your staff and toadies to run now and avoid just retribution.

Chaos and destruction to ACC and their criminal bosses and their implicit supporters Helen clarke and the Labour party you are my sworn enemy and may your souls rot in the hell you deserve.

The rest of you fools that think negotiation and acceptance of ACC's criminal fraud is the way to go then be the fools you are and dont come appologising and moaning when you find I am right and you have been robbed and dumped on w&i with less than is needed to after listening to the pathetic sheep that aver being nice to wolves and KPI driven criminals.

Admin please remove my membership and posts.
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Posted 24 February 2008 - 01:19 PM

View PostWitchiepoo, on Feb 24 2008, 10:13 AM, said:

Doppel, I am going for lump sum. Have had the physical assessment with Dr Bracken. Apparently I was supposed to see a physiatrist to have cover for the mental assessment. This was never arranged but instead they have sent me straight to the assessor for the mental caused by physical. So I am confused - she said she was confused that I hadn't seen a physiatrist first to get cover. These were all written on the injuries that were sent to the assessor, so ACC have listed the mental.

Maybe I will wait and see what she writes in her report before I lodge a complaint that I should have seen a physiatrist first before her assessment ? What do you think ?


You could write to ACC and ask fpr comformation that you have cover for the mental as you assessment had to include all of the injuries that give you an incapacity.

The Assessor would need to make an assessment as this is part of your incapacity. It will be deducted from your total injury if not covered.
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Posted 24 February 2008 - 01:41 PM

View PostWitchiepoo, on Feb 24 2008, 10:13 AM, said:

Doppel, I am going for lump sum. Have had the physical assessment with Dr Bracken. Apparently I was supposed to see a physiatrist to have cover for the mental assessment. This was never arranged but instead they have sent me straight to the assessor for the mental caused by physical. So I am confused - she said she was confused that I hadn't seen a physiatrist first to get cover. These were all written on the injuries that were sent to the assessor, so ACC have listed the mental.

Maybe I will wait and see what she writes in her report before I lodge a complaint that I should have seen a physiatrist first before her assessment ? What do you think ?

Just one question, are you going for a Mental Injury?Sensitive Claim?

If you are, IMHO you need to think about Lump Sum carefully.

With Lump Sum that's it, a one off payment with no follow-up payments if you need it which can be difficult to predict in the cases of "mental injury"

What if you need ERC in the future?

What do other's think or recommend?
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Posted 24 February 2008 - 06:52 PM

View PostMedwyn, on Feb 24 2008, 01:41 PM, said:

Just one question, are you going for a Mental Injury?Sensitive Claim?

If you are, IMHO you need to think about Lump Sum carefully.

With Lump Sum that's it, a one off payment with no follow-up payments if you need it which can be difficult to predict in the cases of "mental injury"

What if you need ERC in the future?

What do other's think or recommend?






Hi Witchipoo,

First, It sounds even more suspicious that ACC are trying to avoid the psych report. How can a non-psychiatrist recommend a percentage for a mental injury?

I dont know if it is necessary to wait for the report before you press for a proper assessment with a specialist of your choice. This assessor doesn't have the info or prof skills to determine this IMHO. Maybe this explains her behaviour!

As Medwyn says, it is worth checking out the independance Allowance. Back-dated it could be worth as much as the lump-sum AND it's ongoing. I think it may even continue when you finally get Nat Super (someone else may be able to confirm this).

I hope it all goes well for you!
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Posted 24 February 2008 - 07:30 PM

View Postfreshrain, on Feb 24 2008, 07:52 PM, said:

Hi Witchipoo,

First, It sounds even more suspicious that ACC are trying to avoid the psych report. How can a non-psychiatrist recommend a percentage for a mental injury?

The short answer is even if we accept they can, how on earth, no matter how good they are, determine a person's mental capacity or stability based on a one and a half to two hour interview.

It needs to be documented over a period of time, either by a psychologist/psychiatrist, or by a trained CBT counsellor who does clinical assessments of the client.

In short, IMHO, there needs to be an audited trail for the psych to follow, that's where the DATA is used as they may use any reports or assessments sent to ACC ie counsellors reports and medical files. Unfortunately, DATA assessments are only used for Sensitive Claims from what I gather.
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Posted 25 February 2008 - 08:37 AM

Medwyn, I am advised that ERC does not cease after a lump sum payment. ERC is not interferred with and remains. Anyways I'm not sure if I will be chasing Lump Sum or IA. My injury was 2003.

Yes, they haven't followed procedure - I will address that if necessary. The assessor is a qualified psych but does not have any other psych's report to analyse. Time will tell.

Me thinks it all very strange !
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Posted 25 February 2008 - 11:11 AM

freshrain witchie and others

Yes IA does carry on after super. One payment each quater, helps pay big bills etc. Not bad idea.

I have never heard of anyone taking 5 years lump sum and what happens after the 5 years is up. Do they assess you again and say that everything is age related or what.

Besides, who wants to be fighting for rights after 65, I'm pooped now!!!

Cheers and good luck
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