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Pain Medication Entitlement Annual Renewal

#1 User is offline   Alan Thomas 

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Posted 30 August 2007 - 10:39 AM

Each year the ACC has been stopping my pain medication. They then asked the doctor to make a decision as to whether or not I still need for pain medication.

What is the basis in law that the ACC is relying upon to stop treatment even though the doctor is still prescribing it?

Review Hearing Tomorrow!
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Posted 30 August 2007 - 11:54 AM

Perhaps instead of continuing to use dodgy addictive pain narcotics, ACC should be looking into alternative ways of managing your pain like DIET, natural remedies and natural therapies. After all it would be better for all if pain was reduced by means other than narcotics and other damaging medications like
anti- inflammatories.

As has been said in the past, acupuncture is a marvellous means of pain relief and healing and also there are other therapies like Scenar therapy which ACC at this time will not acknowledge. It would cut their medications bill by half.

These less harmful therapies should be available and written into a person's IRP thus making physical therapies available when needed, but NO aCC will not agree to this.
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#3 User is offline   Alan Thomas 

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Posted 30 August 2007 - 01:12 PM

Heroin is natural and prescribed by therapists for thousands of years.

What I am prescribed costs a lot of money because it is safe.

The question is on what basis does the ACC challenge those who are medically educated and authorised by law to provide treatment to what I thought was the exclusion of all others.
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Posted 30 August 2007 - 04:42 PM

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is natural and prescribed by therapists for thousands of years


Not true .

Do some research and find the truth .
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#5 User is offline   Alan Thomas 

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Posted 30 August 2007 - 05:20 PM

What was it that came from poppies? Should I have been talking about opium? Forgive my ignorance
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Posted 31 August 2007 - 12:15 PM

Alan Thomas

We forgive your ignorance all the time.
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#7 User is offline   Alan Thomas 

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Posted 31 August 2007 - 03:34 PM

Mini this thread is about a question of which I do not know the answer.

The ACC had asked for a jurisdictional hearing so as the reviewer could decide whether or not I could have a review hearing. The trouble is the reviewer was left making a decision about whether or not to have a review hearing date after three months have expired.

I went to the review hearing today and provided reviewer with the deemed decision which was to the effect that the Corporation could not cancel and asked for a new medical report each year as to whether or not I ne I have been properly prescribed the necessary medication.

My next appointment was with the doctor has decided to act upon Professor Gill Newburn's advice regarding the interaction hallucinogenics and opiate type medication. He has changed the hallucinogenic medicine for something else, Triazolam (benzodiazepin still banned in UK) and proposes morphine. My doctor said that I should have called an ambulance to take me to the hospital two weeks ago, I shrugged my shoulders because I cannot get WINZ or ACC to pay the ambulance fee. The letter from the branch medical adviser still thinks it is okay to drive while medicated with the cocktail of drugs.

Have I been given the classical date rape drug benzodiazepin that causes memory loss while the drug is active in the system? In Hong Kong, Triazolam is regulated under Schedule 1 of Hong Kong's Chapter 134 Dangerous Drugs Ordinance. It can only be used legally by health professionals and for university research purporses. The substance can be given by pharmacists under a prescription. Anyone who supplies the substance without presciption can be fined $10000(HKD). The penalty for trafficking or manufacturing the substance is a $5,000,000 (HKD) fine and life imprisonment. Possession of the substance for consumption without license from the Department of Health is illegal with a $1,000,000 (HKD) fine and/or 7 years of jail time.

Could this be good for the PTSD or is it too late for that? Anyway the good news is I will be a to watch same best favourite video over and over before I go to sleep and it will just be like watching it the first time because I will never remember it.

I wonder whether or not the ACC will feel bound by the deemed decision as if the reviewer had made it?
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Posted 31 August 2007 - 05:23 PM

My post #2 still applies.
Your Doctors should not be continuing to give you continual halocegenic and addictive drugs.
Alternative therapies that are legal should be now looked into. You are not wise to be carrying on in this direction and an alternative has to be found.
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Sometimes physical therapy is useful as I have pointed out and of course the patient has to be willing to have a change of lifestyle and reduce these seriously addictive and body and mind destroying drugs.
In my own case , I have reduced pain medication by 90%. It cost me dearly$ but it has paid out in the end.

Alan, you are never going to function normally while taking these drugs. Course, you may be so entrenched in this lifestyle you could now never, change !!

Good on ACC for questioning all this medication and for once I agree with them.
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Posted 31 August 2007 - 06:18 PM

Greetings,
I agree with you Sparrow...
For 30 years I have avoided drugs, = painkillers and gut rotting anti inflams.
95% of my meds have been natural... (not "Uncle Herbie")...
Vit. and mineral Suppliments as required... accupuncture, physio/ chiro... meditation.
Still have more than my share of hair, clear skin...
But bones feel 150 yo... Bugger.
Damage done by being forced back to work while still injured,
now chronic pain... anxiety, stress, depression,
will be with me till the day I "exit the planet"...
ACC owes me for that deliberate stuff up. :angry:

Such is life... It dumps the dirt on us at times...
Deal with it, or go down. Fight back, when and how you can...
Never say Die. Never give up. GRRRRRRR !
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Posted 01 September 2007 - 09:16 AM

Hey Sparrow and tomcat.

Yes pain can sometimes make you want to take a whole bottle of painkillers. But most of us don't do it. Stress likewise and I expect that depression is worse.

If the strong medication is not working one would have to ask quitely seriously of their Doctor, why?? More that a couple of glasses of wine and I would probably go to sleep. Watch a quater hour of tele does the same thing. I guess that is because I am up at seven and potter around all day, even if I am ill, and in my brunch coat. this is so I sleep well at night.

Force yourself to stay up, that will make you sleep well at night. There are so many things to do that I could stay up all night and still not get everything done, but hey I am not on w/c for nothing eh??

Agree with you, natuaral is the only way to go, otherwise how can you explain to the Doctor what is going on in your body?

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Posted 01 September 2007 - 11:10 AM

 Sparrow, on Aug 31 2007, 05:23 PM, said:

My post #2 still applies.
Your Doctors should not be continuing to give you continual halocegenic and addictive drugs.


Good on ACC for questioning all this medication and for once I agree with them.

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#12 User is offline   Alan Thomas 

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Posted 01 September 2007 - 01:04 PM

Sparrow, Al9lifes, Mini, Tomcat & Hardwired

I have an injury which causes overwhelming pain.

The medical specialists who are professionals at the top of their game have diagnosed and prescribed treatment.

Lay people appeared to be taking control of the medical professionals with the interruption of my treatment.

Please address the issues raised at the beginning of this thread so as I may have my treatment for purposes of my rehabilitation. This subject addresses whether or not the ACC for their own personal philosophies and belief systems may tamper with professional treatment.

Each year the ACC has been stopping my pain medication. They then asked the doctor to make a decision as to whether or not I still need for pain medication.

What is the basis in law that the ACC is relying upon to stop treatment even though the doctor is still prescribing it?
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Posted 01 September 2007 - 01:51 PM

Alan

How come you are asking lay persons why ACC can do what they are doing legally or not for??

We are not lawyers so any advice we give is only from personal experience and probably will not relate to why you dont get what you are entitled too.

Most of us have a fairly understanding sort of a relationship with ACC because we realize it is not good to get on the wrong side of them. They do exactly as they like, so how will we make any difference as to if you get your mind blowing medication or not??

We are simply expressing our right to chatter away, when most of us probably should be doing something else.

Like I am supposed to be typing up IA Review.

Bloody boring stuff.
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#14 User is offline   Alan Thomas 

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Posted 01 September 2007 - 02:07 PM

Mini
2% of the population think
3% of the population think that they think
95% of the population would rather die than think.

I guess my posting is directed at the first two groups

Thank goodness my medication only reduces my IQ by 30 points


Evil prevails when good men do nothing

Thank goodness this site is not a democracy otherwise we would all be doomed
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Posted 01 September 2007 - 04:44 PM

If something is adictive then acc are making the right move here alan,many scripts are approved fro twelve months,NOT ONLY YOURS .The trick is to get the next time approval up and done before the 12 months runs out.
if you hav eissues as a result of taking mind blowing drugs the acc ar eright in asking yoyr doc for his opinion and obvious approval for you to keep popping the good ones.
if you had troubles as a result of your drugs then you would be the first to blame acc so acc are one step ahead of you here,get someone else to say you need the mind blowers then its your problem and not theres .
have you applied for re assesment from your doc to give to ac so they can approve the drugs again.
any doc worth his practicing cert would see you regually re taking harderwired drugs and test you re any health relatd issues which may or may not arise as a result of the long term use of harder drugs,
why moan.get the approval from your doc and give to acc for there persusal,
why argue with them over something that is just common sense for most people but obviosly not you.
youve said it.
acc want to know have the drugs been properly prescibed.post #7.
why not get what they want.play with the paper shufflers and they will play with you s theve shown you many times.
Main basis of re approval is re the maximun term of medical certificates @ 12 months hence the right to ask for reasessment of medical data INCLUDING DRUGS of your choice.

written by hardwired wiredhard on my acc funded and approved drug of the day
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#16 User is offline   Alan Thomas 

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Posted 01 September 2007 - 05:25 PM

Hardwired I wonder you are getting confused with recreational drugs in post number 12. Prescribed medication for treatment purposes is the issue here. Weighing the balance between the benefit and side-effects is something for the medical professionals only and nothing whatsoever to do with the ACC even though the ACC must fund the costly support required for side-effects. The ACC are not entitled to social rehabilitation discounts because of medication side-effects.

People who are in pain need pain relief and that means whatever is required to the maximum extent practicable. The cost of funding side-effects does not impact upon the work practicable.

Pain treatment should not depend upon mollycoddling a relationship with the ACC staff. The levies are collected for our benefit and not their. They have a job to do and I paid to do it and mollycoddling is not part of the ACC salary structure.

There is no trick regarding getting approval for the funding to be permanent. If the specialist says permanent they mean permanent and is not up to the ACC to question the specialist every 12 months. The specialist knows full well that the substances they are prescribing is addictive. It is up to the specialist and I to be fully aware of the side-effects against benefits and it is only up to myself to consent to the treatment to the exclusion of all others which means that it is absolutely none of the ACCs business!

If the ACC I wanting to question the specialist whether it be 12 months for some time later then they are actually accusing him of medical misadventure and they should question the treatment through the proper channels such as the Medical Council or Health and Disability Commissioner and not simply just cut the medication off and ask the specialist to apply again.

The ACC had been cutting the medication funding of every 12 months and not providing the new forms for reapplication until a few months later and then taking some months to process that application leaving me without the prescribed pain relief which has already been acknowledged to be the ACC liability to fund permanently.

My doctor and specialists are monitoring my medication properly which means I went from the lesser expensive Tramodol at the maximum dose to a more expensive medication in conjunction with hypnotics as the main platform of the treatment supplemented with tramol. We are now looking transferring to morphine in conjunction with a barbiturate because of the health-related issues of these previous drugs.

Of course the real answer is to arrange and fund the surgery that was prescribed and awarded by review hearing decision 1992, which is binding upon the ACC as the prime mode of rehabilitation.

You asked why the paperwork had not been done. It has been done. The ACC paperwork for these drugs for more than three months requires a specialist the problem is the ACC will not pay for the specialist and neither will WINZ so ACC create for itself a means by which it can pretend to be stupid and reneged on its liability to fund my rehabilitation.

Please refer yourself back to the first posting in this thread.
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Posted 01 September 2007 - 05:40 PM

Alan, why do you bother asking us lay people about your drugs?
I support Mini in this, IF these drugs are reducing your IQ by 30/% then it is no wonder you tend to rabbit on, on the Forum
Get off them as quick as you can and restore your mental awareness.

As has been said, instead of your GP giving you a script for mindblowing drugs, get an assessment as to how your condition can be helped by other means.
It appears to me you enjoy being on narcotics, so dont ask us to help you!!But ACC have the right to review your case every 12months and it would be negligent of them to ignore it.
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Posted 01 September 2007 - 06:06 PM

Sparrow why do you think ACC have a right to challenge the Doctors?
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Posted 01 September 2007 - 06:34 PM

same as you have the right to challenge acc.

query= do you have cover for an accident to give you pain meds meaning what have you got acc cover for ''exactly''??????/ ???///
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Posted 01 September 2007 - 10:10 PM

 Sparrow, on Sep 1 2007, 05:40 PM, said:

Alan, why do you bother asking us lay people about your drugs?
I support Mini in this, IF these drugs are reducing your IQ by 30/% then it is no wonder you tend to rabbit on, on the Forum
Get off them as quick as you can and restore your mental awareness.

As has been said, instead of your GP giving you a script for mindblowing drugs, get an assessment as to how your condition can be helped by other means.
It appears to me you enjoy being on narcotics, so dont ask us to help you!!But ACC have the right to review your case every 12months and it would be negligent of them to ignore it.


Nicely put Sparrow,

Can anyone find a cure for the pain of "Me, my pain. my rehabilitation" get a life Alan, get a pet or something else to think or worry about or occupy your time rather than sink into the victim role all the time. You may find the company of a pet as enjoyable as I do, they respecta and love unconditionally.

For my pain and depression, I walk the dogs in local walkways and parks with a camera taking candid shots, not all good ,but occasionally a gem comes up.

You don't hear others continuously going on about their pain, they get on with it because they know they have to as other's are dependant on them to keep going despite it all.
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