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Total Declinature Of Claim / Alan Thomas Allegations of working while incapacitated

#9381 User is offline   Alan Thomas 

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Posted 01 March 2014 - 03:13 PM

Mini you have asked to see evidence of the operation. The photograph under my name on this thread has a photograph of the Xray of the artificial joint which was installed at the time of surgery. Now that you have photographic evidence how do you talk your way out of that. The court of course have not only the photographic evidence but also the medical reports and suchlike.
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#9382 User is offline   MINI 

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Posted 01 March 2014 - 03:30 PM

View PostAlan Thomas, on 27 February 2014 - 09:42 AM, said:

The word engineer is a wide reaching generic term that can be applied to building bridges right through to rocket science.
There is no such job title as fitter/toolmaker in New Zealand however it is possible to complete an Trade certificate apprenticeship as a fitter and Turner. In some other countries there are apprenticeships as fitter with a different of ownership as Turner.

You have not made your point very clear as to what type of information you are seeking but I rather suspect you are enquiring as to what I did with my time before I was injured and the relationship of that information you are seeking to the ACC act.

The ACC Act did not address a job title by name as such for purposes of determining the claim and entitlements.
What you need to be looking at is the individual task activities that were relied upon for earnings. The title is completely irrelevant.
In broad terms I carried out machine concept design in computer control systems, industrial electronics and electrics, mechanical systems, mechanical design, sales, budgeting, staff employment, process and production management, component manufacture, component sourcing, sub contractor management, machine assembly, machine wiring,machine commissioning, machine quality-control together with a host of other subcategories activities which even included sweeping the floor all the way through to high level discussions with offshore captains of industry. I qualified as a tradesman toolmaker, restored antique vehicles, worked for my father-in-law at a factory engineer and went into business on my own at age 22. Generally I have had several businesses functioning at once throughout most of my life. I have no general management experience as a company manager as I have always employed somebody in recognition of what I'm good at as opposed to not interested in. I have never worked as an immigration consultant will carry out the duties as a director. My pre-injury income exceeded the maximum payable by ACC base pay out figure.


Thomas
"My pre-injury income exceeded the maximum payable by ACC base pay out figure."

The next question then would be of course, were all your tax accounts up-to-date and correct?

Except we cannot with any clarity answer that without the books, and I mean all of them. But the answer can be found in the risk of them not being in order, comes when when asking the next question which would be, did he work while he was on ACC. ie is he dishonest??

Well the Judges believe so and after seeing the discrepancy in his writings to the Court today, I would say he is a very high risk, when it comes to be honest!!!

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Posted 01 March 2014 - 04:12 PM

View PostAlan Thomas, on 01 March 2014 - 03:11 PM, said:

Mini the ACC were reminded of the 1992 review hearing decisions that remain binding which in effect required them to pay for surgery, transport to and from the surgery and home help after the surgery. The ACC received numerous letters requesting confirmation that they still accepted liability together with confirmation of the surgical arrangements. For you to imagine the ACC did not have the necessary paperwork is just complete nonsense. The fact of the matter is that if the ACC did pay it would be tantamount to accepting that I was incapacitated to return to my pre-injury occupation and undermine the original decision to cancel the claim and criminal conviction as they would have been acknowledging that I still needed the reconstructive surgery. What actually happened as they ignored everything as they did not want to produce any documentation and without documentation they felt that I would not be able to get the matter in the court. Both the reviewer and the district court agreed with the notion that the ACC does not respond or completely ignores the claimant then there is no case to answer. Is that what you meant to say? Read the judgement again and let me know.


I will not read the judgement again, because I have enough of that to do for myself. I have nearly read most of the caselaw that has past the courts on ACC in the last few years. I only read them more than once when I am interested in them and need to make notes for a case to use as case law etc. My cases have all that in with them so the Judge may read if he wishes without having to order the case I am referring too. I give a lot of evidence in my cases. Better to have too much than not enough I say. You just bungled with not enough so wear it. But remember if you go higher it must be on a point of law. Personally I do not see how they are wrong at all. As your major flaw was to not make it possible for the Judge to see that you had had an operation on your covered injuried wrist.

Full stop end of story. How do you get past that one.

And in one case you are asking for full rehab to return to your old job and in the other you are saying your are permanently injuried so that you can get IA.

How do you make these two different statements make sence??

There is no way you can get back to your old job if what you say in the IA case is true. it is a ruse from you to get them to think that you want to go back to work. Were it is a fact that you want your w/c back, and if they try to rehabilitate you, they know you will never go back to your old job. Just as they knew I would never go back to mine.

But first you have to sign the document they want you too. Then they will go get all the documents themselves and they will determine if you have indeed been truthful with them this time, and then they will decide what next they are going to do. But from where I sit they had every right to dismiss all three of your cases.

You said something about my belief of ACC having the paperwork or not. Excuse me I think I said in fact I am sure I said that the judge did not have the documentation. The question I ask again is did you make up a BOD to give to the Judge??

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  Posted 02 March 2014 - 07:09 AM

View PostMINI, on 01 March 2014 - 02:59 PM, said:


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You had two different stories that even I can see and according to your mate netcoachnz i am supposed to be paranoid, Imagine what the Judge and Mr Tui could see, and this is without any evidence.

Dont(sic) do your own legal, you are ratshit(sic) at it.

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Netcoachnz has never stated you are paranoid, we simply provided some facts that 10% of MS sufferers developed paranoia - much of your commentary is full of paranoiac imagery.

Mr Dame Tui must be earning a good living - he has been ACC representative at each of Alan Thomas's court cases.

If someone cannot afford the services of a lawyer and cannot get legal aid, they are forced to represent themselves. One purpose of this fine forum is to help these folk by providing advice and guidance. Alan Thomas's cases have been very tricky and complex and covers historical claims, and the Judge states I have allowed this appeal to be unusually (perhaps unduly) lengthy in an effort to be absolutely fair to the appellant who is a man of extensive talent and industry and very persistent. His very detailed compilation of evidence, documents, and submissions show his intelligence and capabilities.

However, he seems so obsessed with his perceived entitlements from ACC that, on that issue, he becomes irrational.
Alan Thomas has been battling ACC for the best part of two decades, he has spent time in prison for fraud and home detention for planning to cause harm to ACC Staff and Property. He claims he is innocent of both convictions. There have been several examples of folk who have been imprisioned for ACC Fruad who later get their convictions overturned. If we had been unfairly convicted then we think we may get a tad irrational as well.

Let us suppose for an instance that

1. Alan Thomas was falsely convicted of Fraud

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2. That his conviction for attempting to harm ACC Staff was wrong and based on false testimony.

If this is the case, what support should this ACC Forum Community be providing to Alan Thomas to right this alleged injustice?



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#9385 User is offline   Alan Thomas 

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Posted 02 March 2014 - 07:24 AM


netcoachnz
Thankyou for that.

Would I be irrational to say the medical profession were wrong because ACC and the courts rely on informants without any expertise what so ever and then not have an artificial wrist?.
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Posted 02 March 2014 - 09:01 AM

View Postnetcoachnz, on 02 March 2014 - 07:09 AM, said:

Alan Thomas has been battling ACC for the best part of two decades, he has spent time in prison for fraud and home detention for planning to cause harm to ACC Staff and Property. He claims he is innocent of both convictions. There have been several examples of folk who have been imprisioned for ACC Fruad who later get their convictions overturned. If we had been unfairly convicted then we think we may get a tad irrational as well.

Let us suppose for an instance that

1. Alan Thomas was falsely convicted of Fraud

There has been no appeals set down for a hearing there

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2. That his conviction for attempting to harm ACC Staff was wrong and based on false testimony.

There has been no appeal set down for a hearing there-rather Thomas has clearly stated he will not be appealing

If this is the case, what support should this ACC Forum Community be providing to Alan Thomas to right this alleged injustice?

Thomas HAS HAD the support from in here and to date he has failed to convince anyone of his innocence
therefore AS TO What support-That be NOTHING AT ALL






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#9387 User is offline   Alan Thomas 

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Posted 02 March 2014 - 09:14 AM

David there has been an appeal to the criminal conviction. As I have previously stated it is one of the last that will be heard by the privy Council. It is being delayed by the civil proceedings that identify And confirm the Legislated criteria to determine How the ACC is entitled to cancel a claim entirely or render the ACC decision defective which leaves the criminal prosecution without basis. This is all very basic stuff David.

At no stage have I ever said that I would not be appealing the wrongful conviction relating to David Weals plan to frighten the ACC staff in the Takapuna office by asserting that I planned to blow them up. In fact David you are going to be the star witness. However before the appeal of that decision takes place first there will be a Private criminal prosecution of all those who make false allegation of which you two are also a star witness which is confirmed by your many statements on this site and documents provided already indicating your awareness of a Conspiracy to make false allegation.

I can't help thinking but that in recent weeks you may have been threatened by Douglas weal again. Tell me David have you had any more death threats from weal?

David it seems to me that you are being very naive to think that you can control or even have an opinion on any of these cases. Obviously no lawyer is going to want a witness who thinks he is going to run the case like you think you were going to. He felt that you were far too unstable and would be likely to do what you are doing right now!
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Posted 02 March 2014 - 09:27 AM

DOCUMENTS ARE NOT UNSTABLE Thomas
Thats the real problem you have
some for some against
so you went with NONE
And you LOST

Have you mislead or lied see here then
NOW YOU SAID THAT some documents books about things were downloaded into your computer bu unknown persons just before you were arrested
there were some 15 16 pprox the police had a list of they were looking at proceedings with at you
they were dropped from proceedings as i understand
however
THE REAL QUESTION IS HERE==how any books were downloaded just before the arrest
alan

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there is NO WAY i will be in any court that you try and have me attend
so go fcuk yourself
your a clear and present danger to the WELL BEING SAFTY of the community in general and to others health and safety
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Posted 02 March 2014 - 09:42 AM

David the court were provided with all of the medical reports. It just so happened that every single report and medical certificate arrived at a scientific medical conclusion that the structural elements between my hand and arm have come apart with the result that I had no capacity in any occupation at all. The medical certificate clearly stated that I could do two hours per day fragmented throughout the day light duties of my preinjury occupation that did not involve my hand and arm. That means I could talk on the telephone, negotiate business contracts, hire and fire people, make decisions and all manner of things. However there is the proviso that if I did utilise any of that to our capacity and generated earnings then the ACC would be entitled to an abatement of earnings. Fair enough I say. Section 18 of the 1992 act clearly anticipate that claimants should utilise the residual capacity the maximum extent practicable. The case manager gave me an ultimatum to produce business plans which I did.

No one has been able to explain to me why I have had my entire claim cancelled and been prosecuted for fraud. As you are an enthusiast could you provide a clear description as to what happened and why. Please resist the temptation of a lot of emotive rhetoric and stick to the facts only as they apply to legislation.



To answer your question about downloads in relation to the Takapuna bomb plot, the police forensic specialists made the discovery that they were loaded onto the hard drive in two groups with each group taking a little over a minute each. As it is clear that these documents did not arrive by any p2p process nor were downloaded from a variety of different sources it can only be concluded that they were deliberately put there. The documents arrived on the computer after the search warrant was signed but before the police arrived. The police told Douglas weal that they had to search warrant and have asked them for a site map of my home and location of computers. Douglas weal confessed while under oath that he had gained access to my computer without my permission. The prosecution then withdrew those charges.


With regards to your knowledge of the Takapuna bomb conspiracy to make false allegation obviously you are going to be subpoenaed to the court and treated as a hostile witness. Naturally there is a record of what further documents that you have talked about and as such if they are not surrendered then you will have problem that is far more serious than mine.
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Posted 02 March 2014 - 10:24 AM

View PostAlan Thomas, on 02 March 2014 - 09:42 AM, said:

David the court were provided with all of the medical reports. It just so happened that every single report and medical certificate arrived at a scientific medical conclusion that the structural elements between my hand and arm have come apart with the result that I had no capacity in any occupation at all. The medical certificate clearly stated that I could do two hours per day fragmented throughout the day light duties of my preinjury occupation that did not involve my hand and arm. That means I could talk on the telephone, negotiate business contracts, hire and fire people, make decisions and all manner of things. However there is the proviso that if I did utilise any of that to our capacity and generated earnings then the ACC would be entitled to an abatement of earnings. Fair enough I say. Section 18 of the 1992 act clearly anticipate that claimants should utilise the residual capacity the maximum extent practicable. The case manager gave me an ultimatum to produce business plans which I did.

No one has been able to explain to me why I have had my entire claim cancelled and been prosecuted for fraud. As you are an enthusiast could you provide a clear description as to what happened and why. Please resist the temptation of a lot of emotive rhetoric and stick to the facts only as they apply to legislation.



To answer your question about downloads in relation to the Takapuna bomb plot, the police forensic specialists made the discovery that they were loaded onto the hard drive in two groups with each group taking a little over a minute each. As it is clear that these documents did not arrive by any p2p process nor were downloaded from a variety of different sources it can only be concluded that they were deliberately put there. The documents arrived on the computer after the search warrant was signed but before the police arrived. The police told Douglas weal that they had to search warrant and have asked them for a site map of my home and location of computers. Douglas weal confessed while under oath that he had gained access to my computer without my permission. The prosecution then withdrew those charges.

How MANY downloads meaning each separate booklet/book/manual were actually FOUND TO BE IN YOUR COMPUTER within the time frame you sepcified alan=meaning after the warrant but before the arrest
Total documents that were ratifed as in your computer and in the Police files was =[??????]
Total downloads in the time period before warrant / to arrest time was=[???????????] Pretty simple equation to work out which yu know already anyway so whats the numbers then Alan?
without all the theatrical bolloocks
keep it KISS =simple-two numbers is all that is needed


dave

With regards to your knowledge of the Takapuna bomb conspiracy to make false allegation obviously you are going to be subpoenaed to the court and treated as a hostile witness. Naturally there is a record of what further documents that you have talked about and as such if they are not surrendered then you will have problem that is far more serious than mine.
One there be NOTHING TO GIVE YOU anymore You were asked to uplift them in a vary accommodating manner and timeframe
Yu failed -They were discarded as NOT NEEDED After five years Alan
Yu can have a record of what ive talked about
bugger but i cant remember what they all were
You can subpoena who you like The Queen for all i care whether the queen turns up is like me really' I definitely wont be
its a civil case so proceed without me
In one hand you abuse and try and belittle me saying im unreliable etc
then in the next lot you say you want me in court
Its as is say go get f;d t any courts YOU CAN NOT FORCE ME AlanPosted Image
Your learning that after five years of wanting me to acceded to your crap and misleading manner re evidential matters
YOU WANTED ME TO MISLEAD the JUDGE IN the BOMB PLOT Trail alan
I WOULD BE REAL CAREFUL about dealing with me mate
real careful with ya threats and harassment
As i seen thru the Stewart case and many other issues.
i have seen thru YOU Thomas-way way -many years long ago mate




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Posted 02 March 2014 - 11:27 AM

David the information you seek has already been posted.
I will repeat
after the criminal Court registrar issued a search warrant approximately 20 documents arrived on my computer before the police had a chance to act on that search warrant.

Out of the more than 500,000 documents on my computer no others contain anything of the remotest interest to the police. The examination of my computers was rigourous costing many thousands of dollars carried out with a very high level of expertise.


As to document addressed to you you do not need to remember them as they have your name on it and of course the document that you subsequently sent on confirms your interaction. When a subpoena to attend court is issued the police are required by law to enforce it. It will be enforced. I will leave the court to decide what they make of you and the documents.
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Posted 02 March 2014 - 11:36 AM

View PostAlan Thomas, on 02 March 2014 - 11:27 AM, said:

David the information you seek has already been posted.
NO IT IS NOT NEVER HAS BEEN====='Tell us what the police papers say alan
I will repeat
after the criminal Court registrar issued a search warrant approximately 20 documents arrived on my computer before the police had a chance to act on that search warrant.

Out of the more than 500,000 documents on my computer no others contain anything of the remotest interest to the police. The examination of my computers was rigourous costing many thousands of dollars carried out with a very high level of expertise.


As to document addressed to you you do not need to remember them as they have your name on it and of course the document that you subsequently sent on confirms your interaction. When a subpoena to attend court is issued the police are required by law to enforce it. It will be enforced.

I will leave the court to decide what they make of you and the documents.
THATS WHAT I ASKED YOU TO DO IN THE FIRST PLACE LONG AGO YA PRAT
But you wouldnt as YOU only want what suits you IN there
If they so important now why all of a sudden and not in the trials evidential documents because you shit yourself as tO where THEY MAY LEAD TO
As you lawyer said IN WRITING TO ME



Total documents downloaded into your computer between the search arrest period were alan
how many exactly were showing as coming in in that period
cant you ever answer a query with honesty and facts
whats the numbers alan
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Posted 02 March 2014 - 11:55 AM

Total documents downloaded into your computer between the search arrest period were alan
how many exactly were showing as coming in in that period

None, zero, 0
They (about 20) arrived before the search
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Posted 02 March 2014 - 01:18 PM

View PostAlan Thomas, on 02 March 2014 - 11:27 AM, said:

David the information you seek has already been posted.
I will repeat
after the criminal Court registrar issued a search warrant approximately 20 documents arrived on my computer before the police had a chance to act on that search warrant.

Out of the more than 500,000 documents on my computer no others contain anything of the remotest interest to the police. The examination of my computers was rigourous costing many thousands of dollars carried out with a very high level of expertise.







20 document arrived on your computer after the search warrant was issued
But before the Police could act on the search warrant
is that what you say -must be as that is how you say it
the examination you must agree with a being ok re your comments of high expertise
That would be in respect to the police examination one must assume then?
and those documents that arrived in the period search warrant obtained but not acted on so then between the search warrant time of receipt to use and the arrival outside your door of the police just before they acted on the search warrant
so we have all that now and that makes the devious dumping of documents in your computer as being between the 10th March 2008 and 13th March 2008 to a 13th/03/2008 time of approx 8am.
So can you confirm i have it as it is alan re dates times etc then we have that debate all sorted
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Posted 02 March 2014 - 02:24 PM

I have not checked of the actual dates, I'm a bit busy at the moment, but I think you have finally understood when the documents arrived. In fact one lot arrived while I was at the supermarket according to be date stamped on the documents and my supermarket receipt.
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Posted 02 March 2014 - 03:48 PM

View PostAlan Thomas, on 02 March 2014 - 09:42 AM, said:

David the court were provided with all of the medical reports. It just so happened that every single report and medical certificate arrived at a scientific medical conclusion that the structural elements between my hand and arm have come apart with the result that I had no capacity in any occupation at all. The medical certificate clearly stated that I could do two hours per day fragmented throughout the day light duties of my preinjury occupation that did not involve my hand and arm. That means I could talk on the telephone, negotiate business contracts, hire and fire people, make decisions and all manner of things. However there is the proviso that if I did utilise any of that to our capacity and generated earnings then the ACC would be entitled to an abatement of earnings. Fair enough I say. Section 18 of the 1992 act clearly anticipate that claimants should utilise the residual capacity the maximum extent practicable. The case manager gave me an ultimatum to produce business plans which I did.

No one has been able to explain to me why I have had my entire claim cancelled and been prosecuted for fraud. As you are an enthusiast could you provide a clear description as to what happened and why. Please resist the temptation of a lot of emotive rhetoric and stick to the facts only as they apply to legislation.



To answer your question about downloads in relation to the Takapuna bomb plot, the police forensic specialists made the discovery that they were loaded onto the hard drive in two groups with each group taking a little over a minute each. As it is clear that these documents did not arrive by any p2p process nor were downloaded from a variety of different sources it can only be concluded that they were deliberately put there. The documents arrived on the computer after the search warrant was signed but before the police arrived. The police told Douglas weal that they had to search warrant and have asked them for a site map of my home and location of computers. Douglas weal confessed while under oath that he had gained access to my computer without my permission. The prosecution then withdrew those charges.


With regards to your knowledge of the Takapuna bomb conspiracy to make false allegation obviously you are going to be subpoenaed to the court and treated as a hostile witness. Naturally there is a record of what further documents that you have talked about and as such if they are not surrendered then you will have problem that is far more serious than mine.


Alan Thomas

You obviously have not had your entire claim cancelled as you have been in and out of courts re: ACC continually.

You w/c would have had to be taken off you when you went to prison.

Obviously they used the hired investigators to determine your actions of fraudulent practice.
People in prison cannot get w/c or erc as you would call it I guess.

We can not tell you if they were right or wrong to do that as we have never been given any straight account of your business affairs. And we are aware of your ease with which you tell lies. You have been repeatedly shown how and when you have told lies, but you still come back and say you NEVER lie!!!

So it is pointless in anyone on here trying to assist you and it is not the place to do it anyway.

If you wait until you can get some of those other bits and pieces you are after, so long as they do not start calling you res judicata, you should be able to at least have an assessment for IA, even if it is just for your wrist and homehelp.

Which one has to wonder how you have managed thus far, to need it now.

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Posted 02 March 2014 - 03:54 PM

These would be -That you speak of being the 20 thereabouts in number / amount of documents >>

,[[downloaded placed etc by someone's -other than yourself who are the unknown ones ]]-

>>>That you refer to here now as being documents that the police forensic examination discovered -went to charge you with possession of them and later withdrew from the proceedings , and not some other documents?


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Posted 02 March 2014 - 04:01 PM

View PostAlan Thomas, on 02 March 2014 - 02:24 PM, said:

I have not checked of the actual dates, I'm a bit busy at the moment, but I think you have finally understood when the documents arrived. In fact one lot arrived while I was at the supermarket according to be date stamped on the documents and my supermarket receipt.


So you have a dated receipt showing groceries
what time / date was that one in comparison to the one lot that came in time /date while ya were shopping

You cant be that busy alan not to want to show your not misleading us all.
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Posted 02 March 2014 - 04:40 PM

View Postnetcoachnz, on 02 March 2014 - 07:09 AM, said:

Netcoachnz has never stated you are paranoid, we simply provided some facts that 10% of MS sufferers developed paranoia - much of your commentary is full of paranoiac imagery.

Mr Dame Tui must be earning a good living - he has been ACC representative at each of Alan Thomas's court cases.

If someone cannot afford the services of a lawyer and cannot get legal aid, they are forced to represent themselves. One purpose of this fine forum is to help these folk by providing advice and guidance. Alan Thomas's cases have been very tricky and complex and covers historical claims, and the Judge states I have allowed this appeal to be unusually (perhaps unduly) lengthy in an effort to be absolutely fair to the appellant who is a man of extensive talent and industry and very persistent. His very detailed compilation of evidence, documents, and submissions show his intelligence and capabilities.

However, he seems so obsessed with his perceived entitlements from ACC that, on that issue, he becomes irrational.
Alan Thomas has been battling ACC for the best part of two decades, he has spent time in prison for fraud and home detention for planning to cause harm to ACC Staff and Property. He claims he is innocent of both convictions. There have been several examples of folk who have been imprisioned for ACC Fruad who later get their convictions overturned. If we had been unfairly convicted then we think we may get a tad irrational as well.

Let us suppose for an instance that

1. Alan Thomas was falsely convicted of Fraud

and

2. That his conviction for attempting to harm ACC Staff was wrong and based on false testimony.

If this is the case, what support should this ACC Forum Community be providing to Alan Thomas to right this alleged injustice?





Netcoachnz

some of us have tried to help Alan Thomas extensively. Do you really think he would take the advice of a little old granma??

Far out you gotta be joking. When I have asked him for credible information such as a GST return, he put a nil one on here. Now i know that you work for yourself and have a business and if you earned over $30,000 while I was at IRD you would have to be registered for GST. Even setting up in business you would be unlikely to have a nil GST return as you are busy forking out money for the business.

You have just seen him recently come in and say his GST returns were in Refund situation of many many dollars. But he didnt show me one of those did he. I dont think he had any Idea where I had been working so to a normal person one of 17 Companies GST return in Refund situation would not be unsual.

Excuse me but I cant help someone who is going to lie to me and that is what he did. i watched closely and gave him the benefit of the doubt, until it was obvious that he was lying and I then did not believe a word he said and from then on, he has not changed. he didnt ask me to help him write up his submissions I would have told him to prepare is own BOD. No one goes to the Court trusting ACC to go to Court with their rights for fairness and the law in the back of their minds. AGain that is akin to committing suicide!!

Dont tell me he trusts them after everything he has been through. He is either being flattered by the Judge so it is seen that he can work. Or the same Judge hasnt seen the latest two cases. you are not picking those flattering words out of the last two cases. They were those of a kindergarden kid.

Why didnt you help him in the background on your own time?? You say you are learning the law. Well help it with his by all means I am not stopping you. But I am far too busy to help him and I havent been given any incentive to assist right from day one, because he is a manipulator and a liar, and I it puzzles me how you can not see it.

I have just pointed out where he chose two contradicting arguements to put in front of Judge Joyce on the same day and that is the hieght of idoicy. If you going to try and fool a Judge and a ACC lawyer, as knowledgible as Tui. Try keeping the story straight, for goodness sake.

By being so arranogant as to not give evidential documentation, and being so stupid as to tell lies in either one or the other or both of the cases. He Lost!! As I said it was kindegarten stuff, why didnt you and whetu help him.??

The truth is no one can help him now, because he is asking us questions instead of reading up on how to lodge a submission to the Court. Everytime he lodges a submission he has to give a copy of the submission and a BOD to the court for the Judge and to ACC. Although, most times the registery office will send a copy of what you sent them to ACC Legal, unless you tell them you have already done it.

Let Thomas put his submissions of the last two cases up here and I will tell how to word them. (If I have time.) He already knows that the documents, indexed is crucial and lies are just not to be blinking red lights at everyone. (No that I have to worry about that), but he does. He cant be an arrogant liar in his submissions. Even the Judge commented on how bolshie he was!!!

Amyhow it is up to you if you want to help him do. I have been around to long to waste anymore time on him, except to defend myself.

Seeing as mine is over on google, his losses should really be there as well don't you think??

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Posted 02 March 2014 - 04:53 PM

View PostAlan Thomas, on 02 March 2014 - 09:14 AM, said:

David there has been an appeal to the criminal conviction. As I have previously stated it is one of the last that will be heard by the privy Council. It is being delayed by the civil proceedings that identify And confirm the Legislated criteria to determine How the ACC is entitled to cancel a claim entirely or render the ACC decision defective which leaves the criminal prosecution without basis. This is all very basic stuff David.

At no stage have I ever said that I would not be appealing the wrongful conviction relating to David Weals plan to frighten the ACC staff in the Takapuna office by asserting that I planned to blow them up. In fact David you are going to be the star witness. However before the appeal of that decision takes place first there will be a Private criminal prosecution of all those who make false allegation of which you two are also a star witness which is confirmed by your many statements on this site and documents provided already indicating your awareness of a Conspiracy to make false allegation.

I can't help thinking but that in recent weeks you may have been threatened by Douglas weal again. Tell me David have you had any more death threats from weal?

David it seems to me that you are being very naive to think that you can control or even have an opinion on any of these cases. Obviously no lawyer is going to want a witness who thinks he is going to run the case like you think you were going to. He felt that you were far too unstable and would be likely to do what you are doing right now!


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you are wanting David Butler to say Weal has been threatening him?? You putting words in his mouth as you have obviously done before. I do not for one moment think that you were not combined in the Lauda Finem affair in here with nottingham and David Butler.

And yet knowing that David Butler was 'unstable' you sat in the background for months while he pulled us all to bits on your behalf and you said and did nothing, except make a thread up on me and blurb so that you and your mates could call us conpirators.

Now one is here wanting me to help you!! Yeap, where-ever my quest leads me I will help you get there!! AND no-one is helping me. I am doing this on my own, but I must admit that it is on behalf of some of the others, hurt and devasted by the words of the ones already named on this post.

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