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Total Declinature Of Claim / Alan Thomas Allegations of working while incapacitated

#9341 User is offline   David Butler 

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Posted 24 February 2014 - 06:57 PM

 Alan Thomas, on 24 February 2014 - 06:29 PM, said:

???
What are you trying to say?


More to the point what are you trying to say to the courts-different courts at different times-and of course the acc advice of injury forms you filled out,
one instance you are tootling serenely calmly around in the yacht in a bay for a week as well as traveling what is a uncomfortable walking trip over the hill ,[or the taxi you allege you got ]-which is it here alan?
and theh tootling around serenely calmly gently in a yacht that according to you never moved roughly in the seas at all much as it was so big -with you just floating around in a 40foot yacht serenely calmly waiting for the tidal flow to move in on you -and that never created any issues re the hernial you were to be operated on in the next month
THEN
You say you were three miles out to sea in a raging storm-fell over board dragged along in the heavy seas by a rope getting poked round the balls by the dolphins and you and the boat ran aground in that raging storm
raging storm=sedately serenely calmly-waiting for the gentle tidal flow to ebb in on the tide dont follow with being in a raging storm alan. and in any event iN PICTON THE TIDE COMES IN MORE THAN GENTLE ALONG WITH THE WINDS in the bay you alleged you were moored or serenely tootling round in and you say the boat never heaved around to aggravate the hernia that was so bad you were to be operated on the next month.Fk just getting round past Maud Island from where you allege you were, to even get out on the way to the Picton Harbour's entrance channel to sail into Endeavour inlet is a challenge on a fine day alan.let alone what you allge being on ya own in a bloody storm-which your weather /wind reports are visibly showing as much against the ''OFFICIAL Weather station logs/ reports in 1989 recorsd that i have here in hand.
come on alan
your full of bullshit
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#9342 User is offline   Alan Thomas 

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Posted 24 February 2014 - 07:14 PM

Even if you words weren't nonsense, what does it matter.

What is your point re: the ACC claim that I was working?
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#9343 User is offline   David Butler 

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Posted 24 February 2014 - 07:31 PM

 Alan Thomas, on 24 February 2014 - 07:14 PM, said:

Even if you words weren't nonsense, what does it matter.

What is your point re: the ACC claim that I was working?


They are NOT Alan
the POINT IS
WHAT matter is this as a legal issue
as well as being found guilty f an intent to defraud
you continued on -to mislead the courts and thus the acc which can only have been with an INTENT to deceive and thus again -use more medial documents of able to be used for pecuniary gain via intently misleading another court.
You mislead one court or the other
OR
BOTH OF THEM
Than me old mate
ya DONT HAVE A BLOODY CLAIM AT ALL that would entitle you to ACC ERC payments as you were not working at the time of the alleged hectors accident-you were on acc erc waiting for repairs and the repairs done-all over and back to workys time for ya. as hectors all bullshit time
ys cunning as a rat alan
ALSO As the courts and ACC well know-You were doing what a design engineer does Alan in 1990
Showing as from your own documents the investigators lifted from your office and were in the courts
Yet you claim you cant be a engineer

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#9344 User is offline   Alan Thomas 

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Posted 24 February 2014 - 07:50 PM

David lets just see if ACC buy your "high value information".
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Posted 24 February 2014 - 08:00 PM

 Alan Thomas, on 24 February 2014 - 07:50 PM, said:

David lets just see if ACC buy your "high value information".

WHY , who now will believe what you state as a reliable account of the truth as it changes to suit ?.
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Posted 24 February 2014 - 08:38 PM

 Alan Thomas, on 24 February 2014 - 07:50 PM, said:

David lets just see if ACC buy your "high value information".


You mean you have never ever been asked about YOUR differing DOCUMENTED accounts of hectors accident????
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#9347 User is offline   Alan Thomas 

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Posted 24 February 2014 - 10:27 PM

 greg, on 24 February 2014 - 08:00 PM, said:

WHY , who now will believe what you state as a reliable account of the truth as it changes to suit ?.


I do not ever rely on or expect anybody else to rely on what I say.

However I do expect professional to rely on documented evidence such as Xray, CT and MRI scans And especially surgeons who have actually examined biological structures under the skin personally with their own eyes.
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#9348 User is offline   Alan Thomas 

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Posted 24 February 2014 - 10:31 PM

 David Butler, on 24 February 2014 - 08:38 PM, said:

You mean you have never ever been asked about YOUR differing DOCUMENTED accounts of hectors accident????


I don't think anybody knows what you are talking about. I doubt very much if you do.
Perhaps you should ask more detailed information from the person calling your strings.

Have you checked your arms and legs for strings yet?

I guess someone is trying to indoctrinate you with high-value information that you do not have the intellect to understand what Fitzy is trying to tell you.
Do Beagles(Snoopy) and Alsatians(Fitzy) speak with a different dialect of Doggy talk?
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#9349 User is offline   David Butler 

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Posted 24 February 2014 - 10:53 PM

 Alan Thomas, on 24 February 2014 - 10:31 PM, said:

I don't think anybody knows what you are talking about. I doubt very much if you do.
Perhaps you should ask more detailed information from the person calling your strings.

Have you checked your arms and legs for strings yet?

I guess someone is trying to indoctrinate you with high-value information that you do not have the intellect to understand what Fitzy is trying to tell you.
Do Beagles(Snoopy) and Alsatians(Fitzy) speak with a different dialect of Doggy talk?

Your version 1 -re the storm is within the fraud trial transcripts and sentencing documentation Thomas WHER YOU WERE FOUND GUILTY OF INTENT TO DEFRAUD THE ACC as you still do out here with an INTENT to mislead the forum members
The version 2-as you refer to it as being tootling around serenely and calmly and the boat did not heave about so as to agitate the hernia is within the appeal judgement 61/2010 -DCA 129/68 THAT YOU LOST
Version 3 is as miller says in the waitamata harbour -pissed and ya fell overboard -back when ya thought no one would ever be looking harder at ya
Problem with you is Thomas you wont debate that documentation as you KNOW that is what it says so its you that dont want anyone talking about it
Wy you worried about me and the fitzi?
You guess very wrong there Thomas but i GUESS the fitzi may just well return one day with the same things


IF you THOMAS had anything of value to add as the truth then one would assume that you ''would publish the said documents and show im wrong''
BUT YOU dont want to do that you as they are worded as ive said
=touch'e YA PRICK



It is of note you are running out of wordsmithing as well whys that thomas
better to say nought an avoid the truth with sarcastic jibes?
that makes a look worse matePosted Image
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#9350 User is offline   Alan Thomas 

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Posted 24 February 2014 - 11:01 PM

Is Fitzy a boy dog or is Snoopy a girl dog? or don't you care?
Do you sniff each others butt?

What will Fitzy think up next for you to say?
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Posted 27 February 2014 - 09:27 AM

Alan Thomas on the 23 February 2014 @ 07:42 PM replied to Greg

 greg, on 23 February 2014 - 07:21 PM, said:

1990 WHEN you were so injured According to you and the info you supplied to acc and on ya medial certification to receive the ERC money you could not be an engineer
1989!!
I was an injured engineer who owned businesses but could not do my job
What is you point?.


Engineer or fitter/toolmaker? by trade
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#9352 User is offline   Alan Thomas 

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Posted 27 February 2014 - 09:42 AM

 RedFox, on 27 February 2014 - 09:27 AM, said:

Alan Thomas on the 23 February 2014 @ 07:42 PM replied to Greg


Engineer or fitter/toolmaker? by trade


The word engineer is a wide reaching generic term that can be applied to building bridges right through to rocket science.
There is no such job title as fitter/toolmaker in New Zealand however it is possible to complete an Trade certificate apprenticeship as a fitter and Turner. In some other countries there are apprenticeships as fitter with a different of ownership as Turner.

You have not made your point very clear as to what type of information you are seeking but I rather suspect you are enquiring as to what I did with my time before I was injured and the relationship of that information you are seeking to the ACC act.

The ACC Act did not address a job title by name as such for purposes of determining the claim and entitlements.
What you need to be looking at is the individual task activities that were relied upon for earnings. The title is completely irrelevant.
In broad terms I carried out machine concept design in computer control systems, industrial electronics and electrics, mechanical systems, mechanical design, sales, budgeting, staff employment, process and production management, component manufacture, component sourcing, sub contractor management, machine assembly, machine wiring,machine commissioning, machine quality-control together with a host of other subcategories activities which even included sweeping the floor all the way through to high level discussions with offshore captains of industry. I qualified as a tradesman toolmaker, restored antique vehicles, worked for my father-in-law at a factory engineer and went into business on my own at age 22. Generally I have had several businesses functioning at once throughout most of my life. I have no general management experience as a company manager as I have always employed somebody in recognition of what I'm good at as opposed to not interested in. I have never worked as an immigration consultant will carry out the duties as a director. My pre-injury income exceeded the maximum payable by ACC base pay out figure.
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Posted 27 February 2014 - 11:24 AM

 Alan Thomas, on 27 February 2014 - 09:42 AM, said:

I carried out machine concept design in computer control systems, industrial electronics and electrics, mechanical systems, mechanical design, sales, budgeting, staff employment, process and production management, component manufacture, component sourcing, sub contractor management, machine assembly, machine wiring,machine commissioning, machine quality-control together with a host of other subcategories activities which even included sweeping the floor all the way through to high level discussions with offshore captains of industry. I qualified as a tradesman toolmaker, restored antique vehicles, worked for my father-in-law at a factory engineer and went into business on my own at age 22. Generally I have had several businesses functioning at once throughout most of my life. I have no general management experience as a company manager as I have always employed somebody in recognition of what I'm good at as opposed to not interested in. I have never worked as an immigration consultant will carry out the duties as a director. My pre-injury income exceeded the maximum payable by ACC base pay out figure.


Thats real good thanks alan for that description of what you alleger you are and what you allege you cant do

Seems like YOU WERE DOING EXACTLY that in August 0f the year 1990 at what is clearly your trade described a an engineer
At leas that is what the document written by you in respect to work such as you describe above portrays you as being capable fit ready and able with the ability to do exactly as yo describe above
YET YO CALIM YOU CANT WORK AS AN ENGINEER
The good Judge saw thru you as I do Thomas
why dont you show the good folk out here the TENDERED offer of work as a contract ready to go at a moments notice as an engineer that YOU UNDERTOOK TO DO IF THE GUY paid you
Pt 2 page 25 and 26 of the good Judge Morris sentencing documentation-which being included in that sentencing documentation means Thomas-the Judge had a good reason for using it within his reasons of a guilty sentence on you AND its ONE of the many real points that showed you were guilty as charged.
ITS NOT ABOUT WHETHER you undertook that contract thomas'
you offered to do very clearly set out what you could do as work as an engineer And asked for the money and there is NO DOUBT youd been in like flyn as the design engineer you claim you couldnt be as soon as the cash deposit was in your hand
STOP TELLING BLOODY LIES OUT HERE THOMAS

Dave
there arre recognized NZ fitter toolmakers as having completed an apprenticeship for a trade certs and were done for that qualification.
stop speiling crap Thomas
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#9354 User is offline   Alan Thomas 

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Posted 27 February 2014 - 12:26 PM

David it is quite clear to me that you have an inability to organise yourself.

With regards to a quotation prepared August 1990 You will note that it was not an offer to build the machine as my injuries prevented it. Had I been able bodied there is no possibility that anybody was going to have access to the plans to build their own. That would just be stupid. Selling intellectual property certainly is not under any circumstances considered to be of any interest to the ACC. However what could be of interest is it the contract was accepted and I actually generated earnings from providing any assistance along the way if it was needed. Obviously the ACC have no entitlements of this type of information whatsoever unless I actually carried out activities of some description and were paid. My medical certificates allowed me to carry out light duties two hours per day fragmented throughout the day so this type of contract was perfectly in line with my ACC claim and medical information. What exactly is the problem that you perceive? Or are you just attempting to create mischief like an ACC informant who the ACC like to rely upon in order to pretend to be confused and steal claimant is money.

In the context as you have imagine it to be I was offering my services for reward in the manner of my pre-injury state it is perfectly normal to make arrangements for working after receiving the prescribed surgery. You are imagining that intelligent people would wait until after they have received the medical treatment that they would begin looking for work? Do you really really think intelligent injured claimants would be so stupid? Obviously if I was able to get a contract and my normal 30% payment in advance before I started then I would do so. That way I would have funds in the bank ready to pay me the moment the doctor gave me clearance. Isn't that what the ACC actively encourage us to do? Or are you a complete moron?

Naturally the ACC making representations to a court that are in fact false which causes the judge to misunderstand then that is perjury. Is it possible that you are helping point out ACC perjury? If so thank you.


With regards to "fitter toolmakers"as you put it it is perhaps a good thing that you have never been involved in managing any project that required eengineering support. You will find that in the Australian and New Zealand standard classification of occupations that there is no such title and that you are in fact referring to 2 entirely different jobs that have very little in common.

I'm not quite sure whether you are just an idiot or whether you are actively lying and trying to disrupt the site.

What do other people think you are up to?
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Posted 27 February 2014 - 01:39 PM

Where did you do your trade training as you claim you are indentured toolmaker tradesperson.
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Posted 27 February 2014 - 01:50 PM

Obviously you never worked at Southern Cross Engineering Thomas
Doubt theyd have a clown like you there anyway.Posted Image
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Posted 27 February 2014 - 01:56 PM

 David Butler, on 27 February 2014 - 01:50 PM, said:

Obviously you never worked at Southern Cross Engineering Thomas
Doubt theyd have a clown like you there anyway.Posted Image
dave


There were not many companies in NZ. who had the specialised trademans required for
this very specialised training back then. 1970's.
Plenty of Fitter welders ,, Fitter turners .
Any qualified Toolmakers I have worked with were trained overseas.
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Posted 27 February 2014 - 02:06 PM

 greg, on 27 February 2014 - 01:39 PM, said:

Where did you do your trade training as you claim you are indentured toolmaker tradesperson.


Greg there were always a full class of apprentice toolmakers at the Auckland Technical Institute where I was not only the youngest in my class but also came top in my class.

With regards to Southern Cross Engineering they were a customer of mine whereby we did work that was beyond their ability.
We also did quite a lot of international work.

As a point of interest I have always notice that toolmakers trained in England were not very good. That is probably because they couldn't get a proper job where they came from. Nowadays toolmaking is not very common in New Zealand with most of tooling being made in China. They have made remarkable progress over the last 10 years and once more their standards of workmanship is vastly beyond what countries such as England can produce.
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Posted 27 February 2014 - 02:57 PM

 Alan Thomas, on 27 February 2014 - 02:06 PM, said:

Greg there were always a full class of apprentice toolmakers at the Auckland Technical Institute where I was not only the youngest in my class but also came top in my class.

With regards to Southern Cross Engineering they were a customer of mine whereby we did work that was beyond their ability.
We also did quite a lot of international work.

As a point of interest I have always notice that toolmakers trained in England were not very good. That is probably because they couldn't get a proper job where they came from. Nowadays toolmaking is not very common in New Zealand with most of tooling being made in China. They have made remarkable progress over the last 10 years and once more their standards of workmanship is vastly beyond what countries such as England can produce.

Are you prepared to name the firm you completed this toolmaking qualification with.?
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Posted 27 February 2014 - 03:11 PM

 Alan Thomas, on 27 February 2014 - 02:06 PM, said:

Greg there were always a full class of apprentice toolmakers at the Auckland Technical Institute where I was not only the youngest in my class but also came top in my class.

With regards to Southern Cross Engineering they were a customer of mine whereby we did work that was beyond their ability.
We also did quite a lot of international work.

As a point of interest I have always notice that toolmakers trained in England were not very good. That is probably because they couldn't get a proper job where they came from. Nowadays toolmaking is not very common in New Zealand with most of tooling being made in China. They have made remarkable progress over the last 10 years and once more their standards of workmanship is vastly beyond what countries such as England can produce.






dave
what did you make for southern cross Thomas
you could also tell me where they ''WERE'' located when ya dealt with them pre 1989.

China eh ya best mates best at everything so that be Like the QUALITY of the goods that YOU CANT MANUFACTURE YOURSELF as an engineer toolmaker and had to buy from China
WHICH WERE USELESS AND NEVER WORKED>shit themselves quite rapidly
ToolmakIing / DESIGN ENGINEERING far removed from your expertise now Thomas-electronics circuit boards to know what they do -and all that WHICH you HAVE TO BUY IN FROM CHINA
The performance you put up while ya chatting to me trying to fix one was very comical you were fucked and couldnt do it/
HAHAHA Thomas the so called expert engineer cant even purchase quality materials/goods to use in his crap designs.
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