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Total Declinature Of Claim / Alan Thomas Allegations of working while incapacitated

#9281 User is offline   greg 

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Posted 23 February 2014 - 05:34 PM

"Obviously there is a high risk to have additional accidents in ordinary life while a person is incapacitated from an injury already. Obviously on a very large yacht that is very stable and relaxing it is not easy to hurt yourself yet I did. Having an accident is just that an unforeseen event. I could not foresee the possibility that although I was suffering from a strain injury that I could be hurt while sailing such a large yacht. There is no up and down or violent thrusting back and forth on a large yacht but rather nice relaxing gentle swaying. In any event the vast majority of my time was spent lying down with my feet up in the sun while enjoying a martini in the company of a couple of bronzed Amazonian woman (well members of the New Zealand rowing team actually) I drop them off before mounting my next conquest in the annual party held at the portage which was a short drive by taxi over the hill and down into the next sound."
did you every have a covered injury ACC recognised number for this injury/wrist ?
Where you on ACC weekly payment [hernia]when you had this injury?>
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Posted 23 February 2014 - 05:35 PM

View PostAlan Thomas, on 23 February 2014 - 04:51 PM, said:

David you are absolutely correct I was not trespassed while dealing with my business plans and providing ACC with information about what I was doing with my time from the acceptance of my claim until they cancelled the claim August 1997, with the exception of the ACC inviting me to a meeting with their private investigator who was trying to confirm the information he had discovered as result of his investigation. To his annoyance I was able to point to the file as to the information already been with the ACC. He confirmed that he did not have access to that file and was attempting to recreate this version of the information, just like you do.

David it is probably time that you checked your arms and legs for strings and perhaps even one attached to your jaw. If you find no strings are moving your legs and arms up and down all your jaw is being waggled up and down with someone jerking the string I would get some scissors and cut yourself free immediately before you get entangled once again just like 2007 until February 2008.

With regards to the use of the word higgledy-piggledy night was an expression I made in regards to my complaint lodged with the ACC concerning the state of my files. A senior ACC staff member examine the files and agreed that the files were in a badly disorganised situation and impossible to use. This report came two weeks after the criminal conviction of which the ACC claimed that it could not find information I have provided the ACC and therefore concluded I have not provided it. That should or judge quite reasonably assumed that the ACC should have and therefore did manage my file properly in the correct manner despite the fact that it may confession that it could not find materials on my file because it was in such a disorganised state. When questioned about the state of my file in court under oath the case manager responsible for it acknowledged that the file was not kept in the manner it should have been despite the fact that she was ACC case manager instructor teaching other case managers how to do their jobs.

David the ACC even accused me of working within my companies despite the fact that I was overseas for lengthy periods of time such as recovering from my stroke in Fiji relaxing in the sunshine or visiting my girlfriends family in China on numerous occasions or spending lengthy periods in America. In fact I was away from New Zealand for a total of almost one year! Yes I was convicted for working during those periods when there was an absolute proof beyond reasonable alibi that I could not have been working because I was not even in the country! How can you explain how the judge got it soooooooooo wroooooooong!

David you would do better to join with me in exposing the ACC incompetence and corruption in order that people like me and large numbers of others do not continue to suffer. After all this is the purpose of this site. You with us or against us. If you are against us who exactly are you with?


you wont get him back on your side by calling him a puppet and insulting him.

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Posted 23 February 2014 - 05:38 PM

View Postgreg, on 23 February 2014 - 05:28 PM, said:

I am under the 82 Act so everything/documents did change thanks to Mr Bill Birch.
Posters must remember that the 'ACC Act' you are under has quite different injury criteria to qualify for
on going support / ERC , rehabilitation and different document names.
Common sense would expect such a document as per 'Mini' description should have been
needed to be supplied then under 92 act. to continue ERC.
thanz for a thought full answer.


They had extensive discussions with Bill BirchPrior to him drafting the 1992 ACC legislation. The reasons he found the changes necessary was because the ACC would not obey he legislation. The ACC refused to educate their staff which resulted in the formation of ACC case management and vocational rehabilitation which have a hierarchy of first exhausting all medical remedies then a program of free education and equipping claimants with skill and experience so as they may enjoy a fully restored earnings capacity. One of his observations were that "Trying to control the ACC staff was like trying to herd cats."

I too am under the 1982 act, which is the reason why I went to see Bill Birch at the time. He provided me with good explanation and advice which I still rely upon until the present.

The qualifying legislation to receive entitlements was s59 whereby the ACC had to determine the degree of incapacity and whether or not it was temporary or permanent and that permanent further decision-making occurred under s60 which effectively placed that injured claimant on permanent retirement as opposed to vocational rehabilitation into a new occupation.

The Qualifying criteria under s59 of the 1982 act was transferred to s37 of the 1992 act which is the section that necessitates ACC medical certificates. S37 allows the ACC to produce a document to its own liking together what the ACC think is the relevant information to comply with s37 criteria.
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Posted 23 February 2014 - 05:39 PM

View Postgreg, on 23 February 2014 - 03:59 PM, said:

I don't think you personally will find much sympathy on this thread .


And rightly so, he is a manipulater and a lier. and in his own special way he is the most evil cyberbully on this forum.

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Posted 23 February 2014 - 05:40 PM

View Postgreg, on 23 February 2014 - 04:58 PM, said:

Told the truth quite simple


I do not think you be the question.
When the ACC sever all communications or refuse to communicate at all by denying all meetings how would you go about telling the truth?
In my own case I wrote the ACC letters yet those letters did not find their way through to the decision maker. In other words critical information was withheld from the decision maker.
What meaning would your "truth" have if the decision maker did not have access to that information?
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Posted 23 February 2014 - 05:42 PM

Greg you asked
did you every have a covered injury ACC recognised number for this injury/wrist ? Yes
Where you on ACC weekly payment [hernia]when you had this injury?> Yes
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Posted 23 February 2014 - 05:47 PM

You are now claiming your wrist injury is under the 82 ACC Act/.
This may help

"With regards to the Start of the claim that determines earnings compensation That is the June 1989 strain injury was placed me on light duties. In other words I went from full-time work to part-time work and continued working part-time not performing the functions before being directed to stop work by my treatment provider (surgeon) for fear of suffering from additional strangulated hernias which of course is potentially lethal. While waiting for surgery I had the wrist injury. This makes the wrist injury simply a matter of interest and basis of ongoing incapacity. The current situation is I am still slightly incapacitated from the strain injury, not yet measured, and grossly incapacitated by the wrist injury, not to mention the various other injuries. Obviously all things are not taken into account mistakes will be made. "

Was that verbal or written"
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#9288 User is offline   Alan Thomas 

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Posted 23 February 2014 - 05:55 PM

My response in blue

View PostMINI, on 23 February 2014 - 05:33 PM, said:

I have highlighted the second paragraph her for you Mr Butler. Mr Thomas is quite sane. He has minor speech difficulties sometimes but when people have lived without full income for some years, this can be caused by loss of teeth and all sorts of reasons, so best not to judge. These words of a very arrogant, self opinionated, up himself godlike indvidual, that thinks himself above all others.
No mini that is not true. Just because I am more intelligent than you that does not make me Godlike. if that were true the majority of the population to your mind would be godlike

Notice he has elongated messages about everything, absolutely everything. He tries to answer legal questions on how to get your entitlement or ACC rights and yet he cannot obtain any of his own. This speaks for itself.
No it simply means that the ACC is not applying the legislation when determining entitlements to myself and others. Everybody recognises that there is a tremendous shortfall in the number of claims properly paid out on as is evidenced by the ACC surplus funding being collected through non-payment of its liabilities. Mini as a tax specialist you should have been able to spot this a mile off.

He is self opinionated and always must be right. He is never wrong and hate ACC with a obsession.
How on earth could you possibly conclude I hate ACC? There is nothing wrong with ACC. The legislation is excellent and the ACC corporate colour is a nice pretty blue. How could I possibly hate such a beautiful colour
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This is what the court judges say.
Mini the judges say what people tell them. In other words it is people like you who spread propaganda and false sorts about myself to the extent that it becomes almost folk law. This is the true nature of defamation of character and the damage of that character reaches its zenith when a judge is cause to believe it. In fact there is absolutely nothing that remotely suggests I hate the ACC at all. I think you will be able to trace that particular statement back to Kenneth Miller and we all know his demeanour/language/obsessions with boos and bottoms not to mention his compulsive obsessive disorder directed towards myself which of course is closely followed by your own.


Now I understand that sometimes they are wrong. But then there is a system to go through to fix things up. he hasnt even tried.
Mini I think you fail to understand the magnitude of the problem. I am in impoverished invalid with significant incapacity is a physical and fiscal. The ACC has gone to the legal aid services requesting that they do not fund my appeals. Legal aid services has obliged which has caused very significant delays in my processing legal remedies. That does not mean that they are not being processed. They are being processed within my limited physical and financial means With the result that those who have committed crimes against me are going to have to patiently wait.

He tried this stupid method of name and shame everyone and that didnt work either.
I have not named anybody that has not named themselves and does not mind being named. You will notice that I do not mean you ever Because I respect your wish to be anonymous and enjoy your big blue couch together with your bull bars in the privacy of your own home
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To say you are someones puppet is to inflame you so you will let off more steam, so he has more arrows to throw at us, but I have enough information to prove who the self satisfying criminal is in this pack, and it is not me.
No Mini you are wrong. What I am saying is that David Butler may not be aware that someone has attached rings to whom and is using him as a puppet. David already woke up to this fact when he realised that Douglas weal was attempting to use him to make false allegations against myself concerning the Takapuna bomb plot. Naturally I am concerned by his recent demeanour that someone may have reattach those same strings that he had formally acknowledged. Like you I would also find that the meaning to be fitted up with strings and treated like a puppet and as such I am concerned for David Butler's ongoing well-being in this regard as being treated as a puppet is undoubtedly the demeaning. I think you along with most would agree that I am the least likely to be treated like a puppet and as such unable to stand back and look at the whole situation objectively.
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Posted 23 February 2014 - 06:00 PM

View PostAlan Thomas, on 23 February 2014 - 04:21 PM, said:

I think your mummy dresses you funny.


And I think your shinny suits are from the forties!!
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Posted 23 February 2014 - 06:00 PM

View PostMINI, on 23 February 2014 - 05:35 PM, said:

you wont get him back on your side by calling him a puppet and insulting him.

Mini


I think you would know by now that I am my own man and seek to be on nobodys side but rather on the type of individual that seeks only to help my fellow man,
particularly when it appears that he is crowning and about to give birth to a large watermelon.

To the Batcave Robin we must get the birthing stool and appropriate harnesses.
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Posted 23 February 2014 - 06:04 PM

View PostAlan Thomas, on 23 February 2014 - 06:00 PM, said:

I think you would know by now that I am my own man and seek to be on nobodys side but rather on the type of individual that seeks only to help my fellow man,
particularly when it appears that he is crowning and about to give birth to a large watermelon.

To the Batcave Robin we must get the birthing stool and appropriate harnesses.

The only honest statement from you recently within this thread.
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Posted 23 February 2014 - 06:04 PM

Greg not only do I have one claim number for my wrist injury ACC have been operating with numerous claim numbers in my name for this injury.

Added to the robustness of my claim under the 1982 act I have two review hearing decisions that confirm my claim and entitlements to ERC and surgery whereby ACC's decision that my claim was only temporary and under the s59 portion of the act together with the ACC's assertion that my injury had run its course because they thought I was working was overturned in my favour. ACC were directed by two reviewers that my entitlements remained intact and would do so unless the ACC agreed to fund reconstructive surgery to return me to my pre-injury occupation. ACC has refused to fund the reconstructive surgery and that has only recently occurred at a cost of $40,000 without any contribution by the ACC despite the ACC claimant to the court that it still would pay such costs. The ACC even refused to pay for the taxi to and from the hospital and any home help much to the dismay an alarm of all the medical professionals supporting my well-being and recovery.
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Posted 23 February 2014 - 06:05 PM

View Postanonymousey, on 23 February 2014 - 06:01 PM, said:

Alan Thomas

re your quote

"...held at the portage which was a short drive by taxi over the hill and down into the next sound."

hhhmmm I am confused again - where are you talking about now Alan?

Also AFAIK it used to be that all injuries were automatically accepted by ACC computers so having a number for a claim granted did NOT actually mean that an entire injury &or employment history was being fully assessed for entitlements etc

I think this is changing now quite significantly where it is no longer possible to find oneself a friendly GP and imaginatively say "Yep I was injured during an alien abduction" - and then automatically obtain everything or expect to obtain anything from ACC etc

There wasa brief newsmedia report this past week on this issue of automatic claim numbering & then various claims being declined or denied I think? I will try to find it on the web fyi :wacko:/>



Mini

re your quote

" Points I am aware that while I am in receipt of w/c I must declare to ACC immediately any other income is recieved"

AFAIK when I was/am called to account for income - I was also told to include many non-monetary items etc ATM I am on winz though so cannot remember all my specific 1982 legislation & declaration document details etc

This is the "muddy the waters '....MR Thomas uses this when he won't or can't
Posters please stay only on the thread , If you must reply please 'copy and paste' in a related thread .
THIS IS ABOUT .

"Allegations of working while incapacitated"

Some more truths may come out .
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Posted 23 February 2014 - 06:07 PM

View PostMINI, on 23 February 2014 - 06:00 PM, said:

And I think your shinny suits are from the forties!!


No I think that most of my suits would have been purchased in New Zealand or America and were at the time the latest thing. I do however confess that I have two seats purchased in China. It was very difficult for me to get a suit to my liking as the Chinese tend to make suits after the Italian style which is not to my liking. I like the double pleat at the back and do not like the double-breasted style.
Thanks for noticing and caring anyway
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Posted 23 February 2014 - 06:08 PM

Mr Thomas you must be very lucky to have multiple number for the same injury and under different Acts.
''Greg not only do I have one claim number for my wrist injury ACC have been operating with numerous claim numbers in my name for this injury.''

Hense the fraud is now open for all to see.
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Posted 23 February 2014 - 06:12 PM

View PostAlan Thomas, on 23 February 2014 - 04:59 PM, said:

Mini you said about Davids postings made in regards to myself

"Mind you I like your posts they are tittlating my investigative tummy bugs. David Butler said I could be intested so I like to show I am still here."


I guess that it is a marriage made in heaven. I do hope that you and David will have a wonderful Honeymoon
and live happily ever after.


I though Gregg made those remarks. Do you like the 1992 document I found that could tell all why you were found guilty? Too arrogant to see that someone was going to put some thing up that was the truth.

ACC wrongly may have given you cover for your wrist while you were awaiting surgery for the hernia. But remember, ACC can cut you off anytime they feel like it. That is a fact. Although I have personally never been 'cut off', I have been deprived, therefore I make it my business to know what ACC can do and what they cant do. obviously you thought they couldnt do much, or you wouldnt have opened so many companies.

There is only two types of individuals that open multi companies and dont connect them togeather, one is your sort and the others are so rich and straight they have others doing everything for them. They dont need to try to rip off the govt, their big lawyers will find a way to do it legally.

Go and make up with davie. Nottingham for bridesmaid??

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Posted 23 February 2014 - 06:14 PM

View PostAlan Thomas, on 23 February 2014 - 06:04 PM, said:

Greg not only do I have one claim number for my wrist injury ACC have been operating with numerous claim numbers in my name for this injury.

Added to the robustness of my claim under the 1982 act I have two review hearing decisions that confirm my claim and entitlements to ERC and surgery whereby ACC's decision that my claim was only temporary and under the s59 portion of the act together with the ACC's assertion that my injury had run its course because they thought I was working was overturned in my favour. ACC were directed by two reviewers that my entitlements remained intact and would do so unless the ACC agreed to fund reconstructive surgery to return me to my pre-injury occupation. ACC has refused to fund the reconstructive surgery and that has only recently occurred at a cost of $40,000 without any contribution by the ACC despite the ACC claimant to the court that it still would pay such costs. The ACC even refused to pay for the taxi to and from the hospital and any home help much to the dismay an alarm of all the medical professionals supporting my well-being and recovery.


it been shown now why a judge would not continue on when things are twisted and 'muddied waters'.
ACC can only have ONE injury they pay ERC. on and all covered injuries require unique read codes and numbers today.
Maybe the ACC learned something from his fraud case and have not repeated the fraud .
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Posted 23 February 2014 - 06:23 PM

View Postgreg, on 23 February 2014 - 05:06 PM, said:

Wonder how long before I get stopped from posting a reply trying to improve the ACCForum.org quality?>


This is the "muddy the waters '....MR Thomas uses this when he won't or can't
Posters please stay only on the thread , If you must reply please 'copy and paste' into a related thread .
THIS IS ABOUT .

"Allegations of working while incapacitated"

Some more truths may come out .

show some discipline and stop this for ever.


I just gave you some truths as to why Thomas could be found guilty. When he went in to have the hernia operation he would have had to sign on of these Satements. Can you not see how easy it would be to disentitle him for taking the boat out. Do you not see how he was making money and didnt tell them. Either one on there own could mean prosecution.

Is that not the type of truth you want. Do you see now why I have never had too much faith in Mr Thomas. How much more do you need?

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Posted 23 February 2014 - 06:26 PM

View PostMINI, on 23 February 2014 - 06:23 PM, said:

I just gave you some truths as to why Thomas could be found guilty. When he went in to have the hernia operation he would have had to sign on of these Satements. Can you not see how easy it would be to disentitle him for taking the boat out. Do you not see how he was making money and didnt tell them. Either one on there own could mean prosecution.

Is that not the type of truth you want. Do you see now why I have never had too much faith in Mr Thomas. How much more do you need?

Mini

he claimed under 82 Act. I had operation and never was required to sign any form before or after..
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Posted 23 February 2014 - 06:30 PM

View PostAlan Thomas, on 23 February 2014 - 05:22 PM, said:

Mini I think you might have hit the nail right on the head.
I will respond in blue


I put up a document that tells the truth under ACC laws and you call me evil.

Isnt that misplaced direction of your anger, or does the truth hurt.

I sincerely know lies do.

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