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Total Declinature Of Claim / Alan Thomas Allegations of working while incapacitated

#9241 User is offline   Alan Thomas 

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Posted 23 February 2014 - 03:31 PM

View Postgreg, on 23 February 2014 - 02:55 PM, said:

Well ,,, he was released due to having a paper trail and did not stay a fitter[pre injury] but used
an agreed ACC rehab scheme to be a cleaner . when his investment made big potential money certain
known associates used ACC fraud to get a bigger share of the profits .
Why could his documents be found but not yours.?
Both this claimant and you ended up in an arguments between so called business partners/deals.
When you now claiming ACC shutdown communications . Please support this claim with a document
with an ACC stamp prior to your trial for fraud which carried a jail sentence in
relation to this thread. .

"Allegations of working while incapacitated"


Clearly you have not been reading my postings.
The ACC had and acknowledged all documentation that more than adequately described everything including the degree of incapacity, the reviewers binding decisions on all parties, the requirement for surgery prior to returning to work, the ACC insistence that I produce business plans and the ACC having be watched doing those plans so they could accuse me of working.

The ACC also acknowledged That the fraud unit and the case management unit acted as separate entities not sharing information with the fraud unit making the decision to cancel the claim based on alleged work relying upon the observations of me complying with the rehabilitation plan that necessitated my producing business plans.

Greg the question is whether or not complying with the case management requirement to produce business plans constituted "work" as described by the ACC fraud unit cancellation of claim letter as if "work" constituted s73 (1) information. As you can see Greg this is a question of law and how the law orchestrates what is to be considered fact for the purposes of determining entitlements. Clearly there is significant confusion that needs to be resolved. Sadly the ACC acknowledged throughout that they My file in a higgledy-piggledy fashion, did not have any regard to the information on it and no one took responsibility for the decision-making and no one knew why the decision was made yet quite bizarrely the district court judge decided to remedy the ACC decision by describing how the decision-making process should have taken place and then proceeded to imagine the information necessary to fit within that category as if he was a doctor with the necessary qualifications and experience to usurp the authority of both 1992 review hearings and all the medical profession who described ongoing incapacity to work.

I did not have any arguments with business partners. Business partners who manage the companies simply stole the companies. That is not an argument but rather the fact acknowledge and agree to by the thief himself while under oath. The only way he was able to steal the companies was because I had no involvement in the running of them. It was the companies office manager who discovered the theft. The thief and his accomplice, an ex-ACC case manager who managed another division, were the ACC informants. It became obvious that the X case manager knew the ropes necessary to cover their tracks.

You asked me to confirm the ACC shutdown of communications. The first and foremost shutdown was the ACC trespassing me. The second but perhaps more important shutdown was the ACC instructing my doctor not to provide any more medical certificates or we will prosecute him for fraud as well. The doctor continued to produce medical certificates in defiance of the ACC knowing full well that the medical certificates were not fraudulent and he had been describing the level of my incapacity with significant precision based upon very substantial superior medical advice from the relevant specialists who did not rely upon my word or impressions of my injury but relied upon high-tech imaging equipment such as Xray, CT and MRI scans. It goes without saying that the ACC have not produced a document with any stamp on it telling me that they were not communicate with me. They relied upon the trespassed notice which they continue to renew every two years until the present which is now more than 1 1/2 decades of communication shut down.
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Posted 23 February 2014 - 03:35 PM

You asked me to confirm the ACC shutdown of communications. The first and foremost shutdown was the ACC trespassing me


Date and post document are you claim you have .
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Posted 23 February 2014 - 03:41 PM

Didnt you ask the acc to fund company activity and schemes that you had in plan Alan
But the companies been there and your activity as a engineer design person was in documented form to be able to be found
and you never told the acc
Producing business plans for acc alan
You gave them a very extensive one WHEN they forced you to a meeting to discuss your so called plans
WHICH ACC and de Judge-all found later all were already in motion

YOU WANT HELP
Id suggest PSYCHIATRIC assistance be more fitting-
You manage to find de engineers design work give me de money please documents to show Greg Yet
the 1990 one Alan- while ya were saying ya couldnt work on ya med certs
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Posted 23 February 2014 - 03:49 PM

View PostAlan Thomas, on 23 February 2014 - 01:06 PM, said:

Mini would you prefer that I was attacking you?
Or
would you prefer that I was not attacking you and was making comment with the purity of an open mind while acknowledging the comments of others with appropriate and rational comments concerning what they have perceived?


Alan Thomas

I would prefer you stay yourself continually, not jumping all over the place psychologically like a headless cricket!!!

You are a schemer and a loser. You are witless yet extremely cunning in your ways.

you are capable of anything. And most of all you are a lier.

Nothing you say is rational and you cannot be trusted. This is attested by the Judges and ACC, thinking of you the same way.

Better still try not talking to me at all, might be good. Unless of course you have some influence to get my name taken down off the whole forum.

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Posted 23 February 2014 - 03:49 PM

'I did not have any arguments with business partners. Business partners who manage the companies simply stole the companies. That is not an argument but rather the fact acknowledge and agree to by the thief himself while under oath. The only way he was able to steal the companies was because I had no involvement in the running of them. It was the companies office manager who discovered the theft. The thief and his accomplice, an ex-ACC case manager who managed another division, were the ACC informants. It became obvious that the X case manager knew the ropes necessary to cover their tracks.'

I have memory problems but that not the way I remember you previous posts.
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Posted 23 February 2014 - 03:50 PM

He WAS NOT trespassed while he was dealing with his business plans Greg
unless hes been telling more porkys but he had a meeting to attend to discuss / provide those plans to acc so no communicate it wouldnt been at that time which hes tring to allude to
he was in dealings with acc re his rehab med cers work plans.
ALSO
i understand Alan that acc did in FACT look at your files-One case manger saying
unhiggedly piggedly -something was not right and SHE WAS NT HAPPY ABOUT ACCEPTING YOUR CLAIM FOR THE WRIST INJURY.
Way back then
and ya wonder why they watched looked at you
They gave you all the time in the world [even when ya were in ChinaPosted Imageto be upfront with ya business bollocks which you ignored that gift and avoided them causing a more thorough look which is now known as
THE
DECLINIATURE of Alan Thomas
like thomas the tank engine-a cartoon of great mirth
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Posted 23 February 2014 - 03:52 PM

View PostDavid Butler, on 23 February 2014 - 03:04 PM, said:

A rather backward question Alan


mmm?=Commonsense prevails i would say First and foremost and honesty on the same level
Greg had said what i would have so think on that one.
Probably NOT going ahead and setting up business deals to gain an income -WHICH acc dont know about whilst acc are paying you would be of beinfit as well
The ONUS is on ACC and the Claimant Alan
Always has been and always will be
The med certs altho they are filled out by a doctor for weekly erc to continue whilst the acc process is in play -DO HAVE the component where the claimant MUST inform on any thing they may be doing in respect to rehab back to work activities.
Especially back then acc were quite accommodating if one was able to -thought they could do part time work especially at there original profession OR they said NO we cant allow ou do that as your injuries are Not fully recovered enough to allow that activity
Now im afraid its a much different story BUT You were in the 82 act and should have used what brains you have -which appears to be very few Alan
Im pissed that you try and cone all out here saying the acc acts have been used against you wrongly YOU INTENTLY went about to defraud the ACC and git caught-There was No companies -no engineering quotes going out UNLESS you were in command Alan -AS the Judge rightly decided on the evidence he had in front of him.
Thats that issue re the Declinatire of Claim that the thread is titled
NOT all your codswallop trying to align yours self in a like position as other ones who have won there cases -such as Barry Stewart and a few more on the no medical assessment before gone time from acc
You circumvented that process as you were showing an abitliy to work and you were at that in AS FAR BACK AS IN IN 1990Posted Image=engineers design plan supervise customize alterations to machines work -GIVE ME THE MONEY -along with other things so you cooked ya own goose and acc decided that as you appear medically as opposed to you rned certs said,o be able to work why ya on here books so GOODBYES

If you had had let acc know what you were doing and not dodged dived avoided until forced to tell-and then you still hid stuff from them AND actively involved accs case rehabiltation officer at the time-to have them see what the heck you had been doing,before and during >>>and NOT after the fact Then i doubt youd even be in here 25 years later

dave


David I find rather than using for you to be using the word commonsense being the prime feature in The ACC cancellation of my claimAs this is the exact same stance the ACC take. Indeed when the ACC took the Mrs Hayes case to the Supreme Court arguing the doctrine of common sense to support their decision in regards to the allegation of ACC fraud against her and used the Ronald Donaldson and my own case to support that doctrine to the Supreme Court the Supreme Court responded by saying to the effect "bollocks". The ACC have no legislated right to be using their commonsense. What an absolute ridiculous and nonsense belief system they have which can only be based on an out and out bureaucratic arrogance. The Supreme Court directed the ACC that they had to rely upon the legislated criteria which requires the ACC to only rely upon independent qualified information. The ACC however believe that the likes of Kenneth Miller and Douglas weal or Benjamin Masoe (yes he is the person who bribed and corrupted government officials when purchasing passports to sell to overseas people who would pay $20,000 apiece) are the type of people they can rely upon to claim that the entire medical profession is wrong. Of course David the ACC relied upon your e-mail to get things started regarding the alleged bomb plot on which you say I was not guilty and was being in the process of falling victim to a set up. I had to ask myself at what stage did you go to the police about what you knew concerning an illegal conspiracy to make false allegation? Or did you required that I come begging to you and to be trip fed over the years with a few fragments of exhibits to keep me dangling like your plaything? Think carefully before you make your next move because you seem to be getting entangled by the Web that you have weaved.

With regards to any reporting of information at the ACC may be entitled to obviously if I am not working there is nothing to report! It goes without saying that I cannot make any reports that addresses their own imagination all the imagination of their informants who have clearly plotted to make false allegation for the purposes of stealing a business, which has been admitted to under oath. The ACC also acknowledged that they had never had any information describing a single work task activity at any material time. In that case David what was there that you think could have been reported?

With regards to any office of contract let us for example imagined that that arrangement went through. Let's say I have received $5000 or plans that I have produced prior to being injured and received a further $50 a week over a three-month period for providing some assistance. Please explain to the readers help you think this would have affected my ACC ERC entitlements? Please also described on what basis the ACC had any right to know of this arrangement. While you are thinking about that you might want to consider the letter that the ACC received about another arrangement where I was to get $50 a week for attending a meeting and what the ACC did with that letter, whether they ever considered it themselves, made it available to me or to the court and more importantly the documentation of their decision concerning that letter. Did the ACC of a the legislation in regards to that letter?

Clearly you have no comprehension of the ACC 1982 legislation with regards to utilising residual capacity temporary and permanent incapacity and abatement of earnings when you seem to imagine that there is a duty to engage in a different occupation from the occupation enjoyed at the time of injury. It seems that you are not aware that claimants have no obligation whatsoever to engage in any new occupation under the 1982 legislation. If a person is permanent incapacitated then they are simply retired permanently. If they happen to engage in any other occupation the only requirement is providing the ACC with an abatement of earnings to reduce the ACC liability thus avoiding double dipping. These issues have never been an issue with the ACC so I am mystified as to how you think they are an issue.

As a matter of law two review hearings were in my favour that unanimously agreed that the ACC doctrinal belief regarding how to determine the end of incapacity was to be decided upon and the fact that the ACC had been wrong in law and in fact. Looking forward now the law concerning these critical elements has not changed with the reviewers decision remaining binding upon all parties so when the ACC disregard the binding effects of the reviewers decision what do you think should be done?.

As I did not take up any offers of any kind of work, did not do any work and did not get paid for any work what are you suggesting hadn't been told to the ACC? Keep proper account of the fact that ACC has secured all information with the assistance of search warrants at have done no information describing a single work task activity at any material time and perhaps more importantly that I had not enjoyed any earnings of any sort with attention to detail ensuring even such things as rents to the company paid for accommodation space being paid and suchlike. What I thing happened was because I was so meticulous with my details and detention to my obligations this in itself may the ACC suspicious of me.
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Posted 23 February 2014 - 03:54 PM

View PostMINI, on 23 February 2014 - 03:49 PM, said:

Alan Thomas



Better still try not talking to me at all, might be good. Unless of course you have some influence to get my name taken down off the whole forum.

Mini


That would be an available exercise there Mini
However the more radical and wound up the place is which leaves the members more anti when they write re acc which alan as one can see helps all along with that pattern of radicalism -The more Thomas likes it so he looks a good guy whos bullied.
hes a psycho nut job


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Posted 23 February 2014 - 03:54 PM

View PostDavid Butler, on 23 February 2014 - 03:50 PM, said:

He WAS NOT trespassed while he was dealing with his business plans Greg
unless hes been telling more porkys but he had a meeting to attend to discuss / provide those plans to acc so no communicate it wouldnt been at that time which hes tring to allude to
he was in dealings with acc re his rehab med cers work plans.
ALSO
i understand Alan that acc did in FACT look at your files-One case manger saying
unhiggedly piggedly -something was not right and SHE WAS NT HAPPY ABOUT ACCEPTING YOUR CLAIM FOR THE WRIST INJURY.
Way back then
and ya wonder why they watched looked at you
They gave you all the time in the world [even when ya were in ChinaPosted Imageto be upfront with ya business bollocks which you ignored that gift and avoided them causing a more thorough look which is now known as
THE
DECLINIATURE of Alan Thomas
like thomas the tank engine-a cartoon of great mirth

Thanks I am not right a lot but for some reason I seem to understand why he was jailed.
Maybe because ACC tried 'fraud' on me but when I showed certain documents all good and still is in 2014.
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Posted 23 February 2014 - 03:55 PM

View Postgreg, on 23 February 2014 - 03:30 PM, said:

I think now is a good time for admin to control and place posts in the correct thread related to the discussion.

Tomcat is posting about nothing related to this thread as is anonymousey and mini.
'If we the posters select only to post' , then please post in the real discussion threads and this will go away.
This happens a lot when the thread creator can't or won't answer questions
so we can move on.

this thread is about "Allegations of working while incapacitated"

Lets keep posts only to this subject. We might then find the truth.


But we could all just pull stuff forward from years ago to talk about this. Besides Alan Thomas already made special threads to put my argy bargy so let him do it. I think Blurb made so they have such argy bargy threads as well. So all accounted for and correct sir!

Mind you I like your posts they are tittlating my investigative tummy bugs. David Butler said I could be intested so I like to show I am still here.

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Posted 23 February 2014 - 03:55 PM

View Postanonymousey, on 23 February 2014 - 03:11 PM, said:

Feedback as requested -

I do not agree that any of these exclusion strategies are to be considered or encouraged here Alan

IMHO because firstly, I believe that you have very little understanding or insight [with respect to the wider issues of cyberbullying & abuse ]

... therefore secondly, I would consider that the majority of your beliefs or POV to be superficially engineered on this difficult & sensitive issue - and as such any potential decisions or actions [regarding membership] would again be incompetent &or disagreeable unfortunately Posted Image


I think you are wrong.
You seem to be forgetting that I am the most bullied person on this site and that I have been directly associated with those who have committed suicide as a consequence of false information being propagated about them together with a greater number that have not committed suicide but were on the brink. obviously a person of your standing could not be permitted to have the 0800 directed to you as you would put them in greater danger. You simply do not have the intellect, skill set or integrity to manage such sensitive issues.
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Posted 23 February 2014 - 03:59 PM

View PostAlan Thomas, on 23 February 2014 - 03:55 PM, said:

I think you are wrong.
You seem to be forgetting that I am the most bullied person on this site and that I have been directly associated with those who have committed suicide as a consequence of false information being propagated about them together with a greater number that have not committed suicide but were on the brink. obviously a person of your standing could not be permitted to have the 0800 directed to you as you would put them in greater danger. You simply do not have the intellect, skill set or integrity to manage such sensitive issues.

I don't think you personally will find much sympathy on this thread .
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Posted 23 February 2014 - 04:01 PM

View PostTomcat, on 23 February 2014 - 03:17 PM, said:

LIAR... Dont need"knowledge" to know you are a compulsive LIAR...
You prove that perfectly, with almost every post you make on here...
Telling the truth is not 'Cyber Bullying"

"It is probably time that we considered excluding cyber bullies from membership on this site. = Tomo and his TAG TEAM.

YEP ... way past time for your F... off and let us genuine members / claimants get on with what this sites true intention...

What do other members think?
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Kenneth you said
LIAR... Dont need"knowledge" to know you are a compulsive LIAR...


That about says it all doesn't it. This identifies you as someone with prejudicial thinking that acts and possibly based on gut feeling rather than reality. Considering what you put in your gut I could not trust your feelings let alone your perception of reality. CLASSIC

When you haven't relied upon knowledge you can't claim fact, plain and simple.
After saying you don't need knowledge for your facts you go on to say "Telling the truth is not 'Cyber Bullying" Which clearly is not Truth based as there is no substance by way of knowledge
Relying upon gossip, speculation an assumption is the stuff that cyber bullying is made of.

The mind boggles when you are so presumptuous as to claim "knowledge" of the site's intentions. The site has no intentions whatsoever. The site is inanimate. However every single member on this site is entitled to have their own intentions. These are by nature totally personalised intentions and a not to be attributable to any other person! That is the nature of freedom of speech which you so clearly seek to deny anybody to have, particularly when it runs against your occult doctrine.
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Posted 23 February 2014 - 04:06 PM

This is the "muddy the waters '....
Posters please stay only on the thread , If you must reply please 'copy and paste' in a related thread .
THIS IS ABOUT .

"Allegations of working while incapacitated"

Some more truths may come out .
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Posted 23 February 2014 - 04:06 PM

View Postgreg, on 23 February 2014 - 03:30 PM, said:

I think now is a good time for admin to control and place posts in the correct thread related to the discussion.

Tomcat is posting about nothing related to this thread as is anonymousey and mini.
'If we the posters select only to post' , then please post in the real discussion threads and this will go away.
This happens a lot when the thread creator can't or won't answer questions
so we can move on.

this thread is about "Allegations of working while incapacitated"

Lets keep posts only to this subject. We might then find the truth.


Thank you for that most robust and sensible observation.
I have discussed this matter over the years with with fellow that constructed the site to see if we can do anything about this problem which seem to be prevalent among people who have no sense of self-discipline. While I think all of us slip up once in a while from time to time, which probably wouldn't be much of a problem, some amongst us are patently abusive and disrespectful which spoils any benefit that could be easily obtained from these threads. Sadly your suggestion would require vast resources to police to the extent that it cannot be a realistic option. I think the way forward is the more mature of us bring it to the attention of those who lack the necessary self discipline and self restraint or who are simply stupid and perhaps arrogant.

I feel that this thread is extremely important given the very high number of times the ACC fraud unit frighten people away from their entitlements with these people invariably going into hiding and suffering from injuries for the rest of their days unsupported and shame not realising perhaps that they have not even committed fraud.
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Posted 23 February 2014 - 04:09 PM

View Postgreg, on 23 February 2014 - 03:35 PM, said:

You asked me to confirm the ACC shutdown of communications. The first and foremost shutdown was the ACC trespassing me


Date and post document are you claim you have .


Greg I have previously posted the trespass notice.
In addition it is a well-known fact that the ACC has managed my files at arms length with Gerard McGreevy himself sending an e-mail to all ACC staff and strucking them that they are not to communicate with me.
I apologise correct that I simply don't have the time to dig out what I have already posted again for you as you can see there are a lot of posts I need to respond to and I cannot do both. I don't mean to be disrespectful but I think it is time that you accepted me at my word that the information you seek has already been posted.
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Posted 23 February 2014 - 04:09 PM

This is the "muddy the waters '....
Posters please stay only on the thread , If you must reply please 'copy and paste' in a related thread .
THIS IS ABOUT .

"Allegations of working while incapacitated"

Some more truths may come out .
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Posted 23 February 2014 - 04:19 PM

View PostDavid Butler, on 23 February 2014 - 03:41 PM, said:

Didnt you ask the acc to fund company activity and schemes that you had in plan Alan
But the companies been there and your activity as a engineer design person was in documented form to be able to be found
and you never told the acc
Producing business plans for acc alan
You gave them a very extensive one WHEN they forced you to a meeting to discuss your so called plans
WHICH ACC and de Judge-all found later all were already in motion

YOU WANT HELP
Id suggest PSYCHIATRIC assistance be more fitting-
You manage to find de engineers design work give me de money please documents to show Greg Yet
the 1990 one Alan- while ya were saying ya couldnt work on ya med certs
dave


David it is quite clear that you yourself are the one that is directly responsible for bamboozling and confusing yourself.
From 1990 and a month after my claim was submitted but before it was accepted the ACC were informed Of my other business interests and the fact that they were underway and I was to receive $50 per week for attending meetings. This was followed by a succession of similar advice over the following years until November 1995 when the ACC required under threat of suspension that I began a vocational rehabilitation program. This followed by further documentation with increasing detail. Some of the letters ran into many many pages describing all of my activities and options being explored. There were numerous meetings with the ACC occupational specialist (who worked from his garage alongside his car in a statehouse neighbourhood) who fancied himself as a business expert (a legend in his own lifetime). As the business plans were vastly more complex than he could comprehend the ACC employed their forensic accountant to go through the business plans as well. One of them which has been examined by five MBA graduates from Canada which resulted in a $60,000 investment was discounted by the ACC and their fancy assessor on the basis that they thought the plan was to sophisticated. What the plan was was similar to trade me for the international commercial sector cutting out the middle men in Hong Kong, but in China prior to the Internet arriving in China. In addition this plan was endorsed by eight of the main industrial provinces of China and was with one of the leading joint-venture telecommunications companies in China. Despite the investment and the signed agreement with the partners who were managing it regarding this business plan the acc thought that they knew better and actually withheld at from my file until after the ACC private criminal prosecution at which time they informed the court that I had not provided them with any information about what I was doing with my time.

Not only did I provide the information to the ACC willingly the ACC were provided with vast quantities of information so it is clearly perjury for the ACC claimed they had no information. The reality is the fraud unit did not acquire the file from the case management unit as confessed by the staff under oath when questioned.

David last thing the ACC wanted to be involved with is a claimant going into business or any claimants that have been in business and wish to continue in business while waiting for the medical recovery to take effect.
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Posted 23 February 2014 - 04:21 PM

View PostMINI, on 23 February 2014 - 03:49 PM, said:

Alan Thomas

I would prefer you stay yourself continually, not jumping all over the place psychologically like a headless cricket!!!

You are a schemer and a loser. You are witless yet extremely cunning in your ways.

you are capable of anything. And most of all you are a lier.

Nothing you say is rational and you cannot be trusted. This is attested by the Judges and ACC, thinking of you the same way.

Better still try not talking to me at all, might be good. Unless of course you have some influence to get my name taken down off the whole forum.

Mini


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Posted 23 February 2014 - 04:21 PM

View PostDavid Butler, on 23 February 2014 - 03:50 PM, said:

He WAS NOT trespassed while he was dealing with his business plans Greg
unless hes been telling more porkys but he had a meeting to attend to discuss / provide those plans to acc so no communicate it wouldnt been at that time which hes tring to allude to
he was in dealings with acc re his rehab med cers work plans.
ALSO
i understand Alan that acc did in FACT look at your files-One case manger saying
unhiggedly piggedly -something was not right and SHE WAS NT HAPPY ABOUT ACCEPTING YOUR CLAIM FOR THE WRIST INJURY.
Way back then
and ya wonder why they watched looked at you
They gave you all the time in the world [even when ya were in ChinaPosted Imageto be upfront with ya business bollocks which you ignored that gift and avoided them causing a more thorough look which is now known as
THE
DECLINIATURE of Alan Thomas
like thomas the tank engine-a cartoon of great mirth


If one CM said she was unhappy with accepting the wrist claim. You have to ask yourself why would that be. Remember I told you I recall Thomas saying he had not had his tummy surgery at that time, well, wouldnt that mean that Thomas was doing something in sailing the boat that could would actually make him worse. Now I have an official document of my own that says that if I want e/c while and after having my surgery, "I must let the ACC know exactly what I am doing and I MUST Not do anything that will cause me more harm."

Now I considered that a real good reason to only do things I was expected to do and that was bugger all.

Wouldnt that be enough reason to take a person off, or disallow a person for an injury. He was obviously doing something he should not be doing, especially since he was the only one aboard.

I have said this before but I will say it again. I have a friends in Wellington who own and race a yaught, and I asked him at the time, with a discribtion of the yaught, what he thought of the story, when Alan told it years ago. Well, you were both here then so you will remember, my friend who is comadore of the yaught club, didnt think the story rung true at all.............So taking my little investigation into account I have simply misbelieved Alan Thomas' story ever since and also know that he was a lier and do not misbelieve that a CM would want to disallow his erc, because his mouth has actually given her a reason to disbelieve thomas story, or he has been doing something that would make his tummy problem worse.

Ask him for his hospital records for his hernia operation. It Must surely have some comment about his wrist if it was as bad as he says. Because he is right handed and they would have to be careful they didnt do it more damage while he was under the aniscetic (wrong spelling never mind. I too would be very interested in seeing the notes of the hospital at the time of the hernia operation.

This more to your likeing Gregg. On the spot, you think??

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