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Total Declinature Of Claim / Alan Thomas Allegations of working while incapacitated

#721 User is offline   Alan Thomas 

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Posted 19 December 2007 - 05:43 PM

Spacecadet & Hardwired the ACC alleged that I had fraudulently obtained and used medical certificates to obtain ACC entitlements. They asked the doctor if they would have signed medical certificates if he had known I was working. Immediately after the conviction he continued providing me with his signature on the same medical certificates for exactly the same reason as he provided them before. I was incapacitated from carrying out work task activities for purposes of earning more than two hours per day.

Likewise WINZ also continued right on providing an invalids benefit after the conviction on the basis that I had been incapacitated from working and earning from my injuries 1989 until the present.

Without exception every single medical examination has resulted in the same information. I am in need of surgery so as further harm does not occur and to return me to my preinjury work capacity.

Spacecadet & Hardwired you claim to have viewed certain personal information. You use derogatory terminology but the allegations are devoid of any substance. The attack is exactly the same style as the private investigators. Unfortunately, human nature being what it is, even district court judges can be swayed by such an attack when used in such phrases as "the inference is the overwhelming balance of probability is" when the only information provided to the court was inference.

Spacecadet & Hardwired the measurement of entitlements is by way of determinations arrived at on the basis of information provided by those who are qualified to give it such as medical professionals. I understand that you may have hypothesised many things based on hysterical speculations at the bottom line has to be the qualified information, the specialist medical reports and so forth which cannot be faked, especially the variety of professionals reducing reports over many years.

Spacecadet & Hardwired my question is once the medical professionals give information and provide quotations how do I convert that into WINZ payments so I can enjoy the benefit of the prescribed treatment quoted?
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Posted 19 December 2007 - 07:14 PM

You never have to be the victim of random circumstance, or of any other circumstance for that matter. For instead of choosing to be the victim, you can always choose to make a positive difference.

Life is often unfair, and comes to you in ups and downs, but that doesn't really matter. For you are free to make of it whatever you choose.
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#723 User is offline   Alan Thomas 

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Posted 19 December 2007 - 07:51 PM

Waddie as nobody has administration functions since the security lock down the best thing you can do is to simply not if you do not want membership as to not make any postings, which will have exactly the same effect. The option open to you is of course to ask tomcat to explain why he provided administrative access to an unauthorised person so as this whole problem can be amicably resolved then just maybe tomcat can attend to your needs.


Hardwired you should not use this thread as your adventure playground. I am not your plaything and you should not try to wind me up. You have resolved the problem I have posed concerning WINZ and you are capable of giving me the information I am seeking. I think it is quite mean-spirited of you to treat me the way you do when you have possession of the information I seek.


BeAware what distinguishes humans from animals is that we control our destiny. This includes the ability is to respond to outside influences so as to control our environment. Under the ACC scheme accidents taught to be nobodies fault and that nobody is responsible which means ultimately accident victims are disenfranchised from society. The injured read them required to take responsibility for the harm that others do to them.

I do not agree that we are free to make of it whatever we choose as this is like the Matrix scenario of choosing the blue pill over and above the red pill, delusion or reality.

I choose reality and I choose to control my environment and I choose to hold those responsible for my current circumstance is to the fullest extent of the law and of the law does not protect me then I will obviously go beyond the law to the extent that I will achieve natural justice. Naturally I will not break the law to do this.

I will not buy into this no fault philosophy namby-pamby mumbo-jumbo. As an engineer I believe in cause and effect. Those responsible for my injuries will come to realise this if the collective responsibility of the ACC scheme does not. Then and only then will they be suitably motivated to cry out in protest on my behalf.( it seems that it is time for another pill, or have I taken too many already. While you are medicated you can never be too sure)
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#724 User is offline   waddie 

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Posted 19 December 2007 - 08:06 PM

View PostAlan Thomas, on Dec 19 2007, 08:51 PM, said:

Waddie as nobody has administration functions since the security lock down the best thing you can do is to simply not if you do not want membership as to not make any postings, which will have exactly the same effect.


Thats odd. Admin was logged in here this afternoon. Admin has also recently deleted posts. Admin has upgraded the site. Witchiepoo has indicated who Admin is and confirmed it is not you. Is it your voice recognition software glitching with the facts again, or is there something I don't understand about how forum sites are run.

I think I have the right to have my membership cancelled. Since you are in the middle of everything, surely you can use your influence and have this arranged?
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  Posted 19 December 2007 - 08:22 PM

font="Palatino Linotype"]Quiet frankly I think Alan is handling it in as perfectly rational and gentlemanly manner as possible under circumstances that would send me ballistic, and as such is setting a standard that many of us including my self could look to as a paragon one could strive to emulate![/font] :wub:
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#726 User is offline   waddie 

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Posted 19 December 2007 - 08:28 PM

View Postwaddie, on Dec 19 2007, 09:06 PM, said:

Thats odd. Admin was logged in here this afternoon. Admin has also recently deleted posts. Admin has upgraded the site. Witchiepoo has indicated who Admin is and confirmed it is not you. Is it your voice recognition software glitching with the facts again, or is there something I don't understand about how forum sites are run.

I think I have the right to have my membership cancelled. Since you are in the middle of everything, surely you can use your influence and have this arranged?


I agree Flowers, but that also fits the profile of Hannibal Lector.
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#727 User is offline   Alan Thomas 

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Posted 19 December 2007 - 08:29 PM

Waddie even if I could I would not know how to carry out any administrative function. as I do not appear to be in the communication looked of any changes you have observed it would appear that my assertions of non involvement are being confirmed.

How long will it take before my not doing anything will prove that I do not do anything? Gosh I wish I had the presence of mind to use that statement at my trial. But I guess the weight of impressions will always out way the evidence of nothing within the random neuron firings of the bewildered feebleminded easily manipulated weak minded masses. I am just wondering what doctor evil or Mr Bigglesworth would advise you
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#728 User is offline   flowers 

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Posted 19 December 2007 - 08:33 PM

what a horrible simile!
My case manager perhaps?
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#729 User is offline   waddie 

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Posted 19 December 2007 - 08:34 PM

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Posted 19 December 2007 - 08:41 PM

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#731 User is offline   Alan Thomas 

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Posted 19 December 2007 - 08:50 PM

Flowers thank you you are a Scholar and a gentleman.
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Posted 19 December 2007 - 08:53 PM

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#733 User is offline   Alan Thomas 

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Posted 19 December 2007 - 10:18 PM

Hardwired obviously the intensity of your postings indicate that you do care. Obviously if you did not care you simply ignore me. What we have here is a communication problem and a very different perception of the world.

When I was granted my freedom I sought assistance from the Combined Beneficiary Unit. They filled out my forms but bumped the numbers up so as to have some negotiating leeway. When I pointed out that this was essentially fraudulent I was shown the door despite the fact that I had contributed considerable office equipment to that advocacy organisation.

Ernie was deeply involved with CPU also used to post to this site was also unhappy with some of the aspects of that organisation. I trust his advice implicitly. He went into bat for me on a WINZ judicial hearing to resolve these problems but did not have the time to get the facts together hoping that we could do it on the day. Unfortunately I was carted off to hospital by ambulance on that day.

In my hour of need I understand that you offered a hand of friendship and help but unfortunately you to want to enter into a negotiation type approach not too dissimilar from the CDU which also spelt the end of your offer of help. Surely you can understand that a person who has been under the scrutiny that I have that there is no possibility that I can offer any kind of numbers that are not supported by documentation or in any way attempt to tweak the system.

When starting off from the zero point after receiving my freedom with no financial resources to generate receipts to fund the treatment prescribed I can only rely upon quotations. At that time you were asked to find out how the quotations for weekly treatment were to be converted into weekly entitlements. Your response was to attempt to build "relationships" and I trust in your power of persuasion. I was not satisfied with the way in which you wish to direct my life.

I was not seeking for someone to take over control of my entitlements or to negotiate for me but merely for someone to act as a conduit for spokesperson so as I may maintain my dignity and self determination. Surely you can understand a grown-up person like myself having gone through what I have gone through wishes to rebuild his life under his own control rather than hand control over to another person. I certainly do not want a pesky WINZ Clark having any control over my life and also do not want to have someone having control as my negotiator that pesky WINZ Clark as that would double the insult to my dignity.

You are aware that I had been writing but WINZ were not answering or when they did answer it was a meaningless response which brings me back to my original question, as your response like them has not addressed the question.

As I am unable to afford to fund essential invalid costs in order to produce receipts,
how can WINZ process the annual review if they continue to refuse quotations?

Hardwired if you do not know the answer to this problem to say so as there is no shame in not knowing the answer. You could still do what I originally asked you to do and ask WINZ what the answer it is and provide me with that information. If you do that for me I would be most appreciative.
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#734 User is offline   Alan Thomas 

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Posted 19 December 2007 - 11:10 PM

Chrissy you are quite correct in as much as I wanted a spokesperson to communicate my words rather than to hand my life to an agent who managed my affairs as they saw fit. This does not diminish my respect for your level of competency that you must appreciate that under no circumstances will I accept passing control of my life on to another person as I value my own self determination..

With these fundamental principles in mind there is absolutely nothing wrong with providing you with scripted questions followed by additional questions depending upon how they answer. This was done as I am far more skilled in acquiring information than they are at avoiding the issue which is the only reason WINZ staff are not allowed to talk to me.

The extreme that these monsters have gone to is accused me of acquiring entitlements by way of a sexual relationship with Mrs Hunter, the branch manager of Highland Park which required a regional manager to resolve. The problem is the corrosive effect of the concept of negotiated entitlement rather than calculated entitlement card continue to be defended by senior staff and junior staff seeking to make a name for themselves invariably take over and manipulate entitlements downward.

You may not appreciate the full extent of my suffering caused by state servant staff who do not enter facts derived from duly qualified experts into the file and only make lists the worded references concerning their personal viewpoints as result of so-called negotiations from which others have a propensity to reinterpret even to the extent of a fraud allegation. Under no circumstances could I tolerate a repeat situation which means you have encountered someone who appears to you extremely rigid in their approach. I do not apologise and I do wish you could understand.

Unfortunately virtually every advocate has fallen into the trap of attempting to negotiate rather than calculate. I do not apologise for attempting to address matters of law and entitlement by the numbers.

Having said that I still respect your integrity and expertise in a difficult environment.
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Posted 20 December 2007 - 06:36 AM

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I agree Flowers, but that also fits the profile of Hannibal Lector.



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what a horrible simile!
My case manager perhaps?


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Posted 20 December 2007 - 06:54 AM

Just a hypothesis re Alan's assertations regarding his inability to delete alter the forum since the security lock down could be true and that the thing is on automatic and has turned into hal.
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Posted 20 December 2007 - 07:07 AM

 flowers, on Dec 20 2007, 07:54 AM, said:

Just a hypothesis re Alan's assertations regarding his inability to delete alter the forum since the security lock down could be true and that the thing is on automatic and has turned into hal.

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Posted 20 December 2007 - 08:19 AM

Wealthy consultant used ACC to boost wage by $238,000

NZ Herald

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/1/story....objectid=115696


12:00AM Friday February 04, 2000

By SCOTT MacLEOD

An Auckland consultant whose businesses turned over hundreds of thousands of dollars has been exposed as one of the biggest ACC fraudsters.

Alan Gordon Thomas, now aged 45, told ACC in 1989 that he had a sore arm and could no longer work.

He grossed $238,000 in accident compensation during the next seven years while also earning from an immigration consultancy, publishing a Chinese newspaper and teaching English to immigrants.

Thomas wrote newspaper articles titled "How to Become a Millionaire" and "The Money Machine" while receiving compensation, and was photographed introducing former Finance Minister Sir William Birch at a seminar, the Auckland District Court heard.

The dapper Howick man carried his briefcase to the dock yesterday to be sentenced on 22 counts of document fraud. But the sentencing was put off until February 10 when his lawyer, James LaHatte, said he wanted nothing more to do with the case.

"Mr Thomas indicated that his girlfriend was about to bring proceedings against me," said Mr LaHatte.

A new lawyer, Rob Weir, took over at short notice.

Robert Liberona, who manages the Accident Rehabilitation and Compensation Insurance Corporation's fraud unit, told the Herald that Thomas ranked in the top five for claimant fraud. He was certified as being fully unfit for work and was paid weekly compensation from 1990 to 1996.

Mr Liberona said Thomas was caught during a routine audit, and a new electronic system was being used that would help to catch similar fraudsters more quickly.

The corporation alleged Thomas told its Takapuna office in September 1990 that he had strained his right arm while sailing during a storm in Queen Charlotte Sound.

His weekly income of $730.77 meant he was entitled to $584.62 a week in compensation.

From 1990 to August 1997 he gave the corporation 25 medical certificates stating that he was unfit for work, usually for periods of one to three months at a time. But a probe into Thomas' affairs found he was linked to 18 businesses, including the Orac group of companies.

Documents and computer disks seized from a Howick address on April 8, 1998, included details on bank accounts. These showed deposits of $1,286,000 and withdrawals of $1,276,283 from 1991 to 1998.

Thomas told the court he could afford to invest because he lived "in a single room, sharing costs at a very low level and not having lavish entertainment."

The defence argued that the real issue was whether Thomas had fraudulent intent when he used the documents.

Thomas was unable to get a straight answer out of the corporation as to what he should do to rehabilitate himself. His business ventures were rehabilitation efforts rather than work.

Thomas was remanded on bail and faces up to seven years in jail.

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#739 User is offline   Alan Thomas 

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Posted 20 December 2007 - 11:44 AM

The above media release to the various newspapers occurred after conviction that prior to sentencing. It is interesting that the information does not come from the trial and is not supported by a single fact that still only assumptions.

The key fact to an ACC fraud prosecution is document and planned to acquire an overpayment. No overpayment was ever described and Michael Spraggon agreed 2003 at the ACC owed it to me to make the calculation for purposes of my appeal. Obviously it is not possible to determine what the appropriate sentence might be for a fraud conviction when there is no information to distinguish between fraudulently acquiring sixpence or fraudulently acquiring all of the ERC and the funding for surgery.

As I was unable to work for more than two hours per day reason would suggest the maximum would have to be somewhere in between. The ACC frenzied accountant confirms under oath that there is no information to suggest I have received any money or any form of benefit from the companies I owned.

My statements were and continue to be that my only activity is worthy activities that I disclose to the ACC. Having ideas about various businesses registering the company so as to protect the intellectual property and continuing on with investigation and discussion with potential business partners.

The entire saga as to whether or not I was entitled to 80% of my preinjury occupation is whether or not the capacity existed to return to that occupation while having regard for my injuries. The ACC claim to have information to support their allegation and confirmed that they have withheld this information under the privacy act. They continued to withhold this information from the reviewer, the criminal court judge and 10 years later they continued delay releasing the information which in turn delays my appeal.
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Posted 20 December 2007 - 12:12 PM

 Alan Thomas, on Dec 20 2007, 12:44 PM, said:

The above media release to the various newspapers occurred after conviction that prior to sentencing. It is interesting that the information does not come from the trial and is not supported by a single fact that still only assumptions.

The key fact to an ACC fraud prosecution is document and planned to acquire an overpayment. No overpayment was ever described and Michael Spraggon agreed 2003 at the ACC owed it to me to make the calculation for purposes of my appeal. Obviously it is not possible to determine what the appropriate sentence might be for a fraud conviction when there is no information to distinguish between fraudulently acquiring sixpence or fraudulently acquiring all of the ERC and the funding for surgery.

As I was unable to work for more than two hours per day reason would suggest the maximum would have to be somewhere in between. The ACC frenzied accountant confirms under oath that there is no information to suggest I have received any money or any form of benefit from the companies I owned.

My statements were and continue to be that my only activity is worthy activities that I disclose to the ACC. Having ideas about various businesses registering the company so as to protect the intellectual property and continuing on with investigation and discussion with potential business partners.

The entire saga as to whether or not I was entitled to 80% of my preinjury occupation is whether or not the capacity existed to return to that occupation while having regard for my injuries. The ACC claim to have information to support their allegation and confirmed that they have withheld this information under the privacy act. They continued to withhold this information from the reviewer, the criminal court judge and 10 years later they continued delay releasing the information which in turn delays my appeal.

If the information did not come from the trial, where did it come from?

Scott Mcleod or another journalist must have been present in the court when you were convicted.

You may beg, you may plead, you may argue with your logic and then you'll know the things I that are stated by Mcleod really have some value in the end you will surely know that what was reported was what happened.

The article certainly exposes a lot of flaws and weaknesses in that the evidence seems to be in difference with your posts only, why?

As far as I'm concerned any thought of 'benefit of doubt' has been removed for me, and I will now not treat your postings to suspicion, but now to contempt.

As you like to play word games may I direct you to http://209.51.211.29...re/scrabble.htm where there's lots of free wordgames you can play and leave the board to sensible meaningful postings
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