[RedFox]

REX, on 03 March 2016 - 10:07 PM, said:

NOPE I take full resposibility for having the BLUDGER expelled,

He couldn't stick to the basic rules of this forum and was threatening,slandering,trying to intimidate members, lying, posting hateful comments, flaunting accforums rules and promoting scam sites,,, there were a few other things I raised.

Basically the co conspiritor tagteam member BLUDGER/BLURB was banned for being a LOSER...

The place is so much better for NO LOSS !

With all the evidence seen (postings on this forum and screen captures on another site) it appears you are once again misleading the very few members and visitors that this forum has Rex!

Please provide the evidence that Blurb was "threatening,slandering,trying to intimidate members, lying, posting hateful comments, flaunting accforums rules and promoting scam sites" etc instead of making unsubstantiated and defamatory claims as you have!

What is fact is that Blurb (Fran Van Helmond) nearly always signed off on his postings using both his user-name AND real name, thus making what he stated 100% more creditable than the dribble you always publish REX!

I am disappointed that this forum continues to allow abusive, harassing, threatening and defamatory comments to be posted about individuals/members who have had their right of reply (posting privileges) removed under dubious circumstances but nothing surprises me anymore as far as the management of this forum goes!

[MINI]

David Butler, on 03 March 2016 - 05:15 PM, said:

Thomas never engaged me for any reasons at all Fran Van Helmond. Neither did Thomas engage anyone else that you portray above as above >as one other,< as being within any issues i dealt with ,To which you continually place false information about, when you have no facts to base your accusation on re the many alleged accusations you make that the there was an engagement, thus a move of action was embarked apon to clear his /Thomas's name
You appear to be rather mixed up >WITH AN ITENT ,as to general conversations about an issue of concern,then you place the False information out here re the Bomb Plot -and by some other members which do include you Fran. being The Much harassment libel/defamation and attacks at others such as myself that were being carried out at the time /still are /The very inappropriate actions within the Bomb Plot that showed as in a number of areas one particular one being attempting to pervert the course of justice and the provision of omitting the facts thus misleading information to the courts-AND Fran You must expect such behavior such as yours in here ,and as by your associates in and out of here to be discussed by others.
It wil be most interesting to see how you can show any thing like an actual investigation into clearing Thomas's name ever being set in motion
AS Fran IT NEVER HAPPENED

a general conversation as to the pros and cons of the case and its issues- has never been ratified agreed with to be ,as to being put in place to help Thomas as you accuse of, as an Engagement of someone to do anything like as such ,that as you refer / accuse to, of the clearing of thomas name.
If you ever actully read my content you will see that my shown thus well known stance has been the complete opposite of that you accuse of,and has been since i joined the forum re some issues and definitely as to the Takapuna Bomb Plot and its many issues as a whole.
Its about time you actually published facts and not keep on placing bullshit which is outright harassment against myself and others> Fran Van Helmond posing as redfox.
As you have raised the issue as to Blurbs banning ,as i see it he was attacking others using this forum to do so with false accusations and within that /stepped well out of the area of an argy bargy debate , to as was seen by all as being very abusive harassing / publishing threatening content against others and using the Police as a means to do this And the many many personal attacks directly at the admin of this forum placed Fran/Blurb in a position of again harassing / so i guess the time arrived when enough was enough to all those affected by Frans content ,that those action/s were decided apon as being out of order against the norm of freedom of speech,and it was goodbye Fran Van Helmond aka Blurb.
Dont be so vain and egotistic to publicly compliment yourself for being banned re publishing anything as you call Truths As i haven yet seen any facts or truth from you yet been / or being published in here Fran.

David.
pp


As Fran Blurb Redfox Jesus etc etc and Having many times previously outrightly shown via your publications as to whom the so called one is ,that you again cowardly state above you can not name =You again lead the identity of that person to be very easily identified publicly by anyone at all ,and its about time you were taken to task by the courts on that matter Fran.

If as you say Mr Butler that "Thomas never engaged me for any reasona at all Fran van Helmond. Nither did Thomas engage anyone selse that you portay as abover....etc

If what you say is true Mr Butler, then who did hire an investigator, as told to me by Thomas in October 2013, and named this person and instructed me to co-operate with him (the investigator)?

Was it as said on LF that you approached them and asked for them to assist in getting Thomas a new trial as is spoken about on tape between you and investigator, that WEal, Miller and all the others need to be dealt with, (naming and defaming many of us on Lf) according to the spoken of investigator in Thomas post to me in October 2013? Are you saying you did that without Thomas knowledge.

He certainly had the knowledge in October 2013!! There is no two ways about that. He names the so-called investigator. Which was very helpful of him.

Mini

[Alan Thomas]

Mini David Butler has stated many times that he investigated the surrounding facts concerning the accusations made by Douglas weal and others concerning the blowing up of the ACC officers investigating him for fraud entirely on its own account. He did not and does not need to consult me and further I confirm that he did not. David Butler recognising and confirming to me personally (recorded) that he was convinced I was completely innocent of the accusations made against me.

[MINI]

Alan Thomas, on 04 March 2016 - 09:35 AM, said:

Mini David Butler has stated many times that he investigated the surrounding facts concerning the accusations made by Douglas weal and others concerning the blowing up of the ACC officers investigating him for fraud entirely on its own account. He did not and does not need to consult me and further I confirm that he did not. David Butler recognising and confirming to me personally (recorded) that he was convinced I was completely innocent of the accusations made against me.

I did not ask for your answer Mr Thomas I asked for Mr Butlers, as he will get these questions asked at Court I am sure.

Who approached the investigator you named in October 2013 to me on here and of which I have a copy. That person is directly responsible for our naming and defaming over on LF and then onto this forum. Both sites of which I have been criminally harassed and threatened on.

You Mr Thomas try to make like you had no role in this unintelligent attempt to defame a lot of ACCforums members, but your post in October 2013 shows clearly that you knew what was going on and who was involved.

The tapes being quite clear on who two of those people were, and your utterences in October 2013 showing as above, you were aware, and demanding I co operate with the investigator.

And you think that Rex is going to get you enough information to stop me or any of the others from doing what I started by hiring a lawyer in 2012. If you were under any stress at all you would not be on here, therefore you are here trying to get evidence that we are harassing you!! Good luck with that one, you have to get past my evidence first.

Mini

[not their victim]

Can't wait for David's reply to this one

Absolutely cracking up over the responses

[MINI]

Alan Thomas, on 04 March 2016 - 09:35 AM, said:

Mini David Butler has stated many times that he investigated the surrounding facts concerning the accusations made by Douglas weal and others concerning the blowing up of the ACC officers investigating him for fraud entirely on its own account. He did not and does not need to consult me and further I confirm that he did not. David Butler recognising and confirming to me personally (recorded) that he was convinced I was completely innocent of the accusations made against me.

But he has changed his mind against whether you are innocent or not now Mr Thomas. Big change indeed. WOnder why it took him so long to realise the thruth, or was it just that he couldn't be seen to have all that documentation for nefarious reason eh?? I have already noted that has crossed your thought pattern as well.

Mini

[not their victim]

So pleased I gathered all chat room evidence

Rex is one nasty piece of work when he has his big noter of a mate working in tandem to abuse and physically threaten people

He can deny this all he likes but the evidence is locked, loaded and ready to be utilised

And that the evidence is within the realm of those who have the power to elicit the Truth and impose jail time

Bring it on...

[not their victim]

And FYI

Black ops specialist was Kurutia Seymour from ACC executive

Former PA to sacked CEO Ralph Stewart

[RedFox]

Alan Thomas, on 04 March 2016 - 09:35 AM, said:

Mini David Butler has stated many times that he investigated the surrounding facts concerning the accusations made by Douglas weal and others concerning the blowing up of the ACC officers investigating him for fraud entirely on its own account. He did not and does not need to consult me and further I confirm that he did not. David Butler recognising and confirming to me personally (recorded) that he was convinced I was completely innocent of the accusations made against me.

You, David Butler and that sad lonely individual whom Butler was seen speaking with on the video have abused, harassed, threatened and defamed many innocent individuals on this forum Alan Thomas and for that I hope you all suffer the consequences when facing the Courts!

[Alan Thomas]

My response in blue

MINI, on 04 March 2016 - 09:57 AM, said:

I did not ask for your answer Mr Thomas I asked for Mr Butlers, as he will get these questions asked at Court I am sure.
Obviously I would be a principal witness in any court case for David Butler confirming that he was not commissioned by me to do anything.

Who approached the investigator you named in October 2013 to me on here and of which I have a copy. That person is directly responsible for our naming and defaming over on LF and then onto this forum. Both sites of which I have been criminally harassed and threatened on.
David Butler is not responsible for what someone else post on this Internet site. My observations is that David Butler carried out a private and confidential discussion with someone who was exploring the integrity of a criminal prosecution. These activities are perfectly legal.

You Mr Thomas try to make like you had no role in this
Correct

...unintelligent attempt to defame a lot of ACCforums members,
I don't think anyone would agree with you as there are no facts to support your hypothesis

but your post in October 2013 shows clearly that you knew what was going on and who was involved.
My awareness is entirely irrelevant to your hypothesis.

The tapes being quite clear on who two of those people were, and your utterences in October 2013 showing as above, you were aware, and demanding I co operate with the investigator.
A private individual investigating perjury and false allegation combined with conspiracy to commit perjury and false allegation and to support those doing and/or failing to report to the police knowledge of these crimes or information pertaining to a criminal trial is an offence and as such cooperation with those investigating such crimes is to be encouraged. Nothing can good can be gained from withholding information from the police or the courts.

And you think that Rex is going to get you enough information to stop me or any of the others from doing what I started by hiring a lawyer in 2012.
I have no idea what you are talking about. I don't think anything about Rex doing anything. I don't even know who Rex is.

If you were under any stress at all you would not be on here,
So why are you so actively engaged with the tagteam to induce stress upon me?

therefore you are here trying to get evidence that we are harassing you!!
Wild speculations that have no foundation in fact cannot possibly cause you to reach a conclusion of fact. This seems to be a re-occurring theme with you whereby you seem to be causing yourself a great deal of distress. I would recommend that you cease your association with the tagteam and tried to reflect on proper behaviour.

Good luck with that one, you have to get past my evidence first.
I do not believe in luck.
You have no evidence as all of your belief systems are ill-conceived.

Mini

[Alan Thomas]

My response and blue

MINI, on 04 March 2016 - 10:00 AM, said:

But he has changed his mind
Mind, what mind

against whether you are innocent or not now Mr Butler.
David Butler has no information whatsoever whereby he could imagine I'm guilty. Any opinion that may be formed can be done so only on the basis of the integrity of what Douglas weal has claimed what he was drunk in my home which is directly opposite to what I have stated while stone cold sober.

Big change indeed.
David Butler's view of the world has always been and always will be wibbly wobbly. It is for this reason that only the material sent to David Butler from Douglas weal is of interest. The only purpose David Butler has is to authenticate that it is indeed genuine.

WOnder why it took him so long to realise the thruth, or was it just that he couldn't be seen to have all that documentation for nefarious reason eh?? I have already noted that has crossed your thought pattern as well.
That would entirely depend upon the motive of the moment

Mini

[Alan Thomas]

RedFox, on 04 March 2016 - 11:22 AM, said:

You, David Butler and that sad lonely individual whom Butler was seen speaking with on the video have abused, harassed, threatened and defamed many innocent individuals on this forum Alan Thomas and for that I hope you all suffer the consequences when facing the Courts!

I really can't comprehend your rationale.
Why should one person suffer the consequences of the activities of another of whom there is no actual connection?

[MINI]

Alan Thomas, on 04 March 2016 - 11:52 AM, said:

I really can't comprehend your rationale.
Why should one person suffer the consequences of the activities of another of whom there is no actual connection?

I suppose that one person is your good self Mr Thomas?

there is a connection between you and Butler you needed the emails from Weal. You have just said so. You have already admitted that what Butler had was from Weal. So a connection is well made between you and Butler by the round of emails etc that took place while you were in Court. That is very clear. It is also stated between Butter and another on the video.

The connection with the video guy, (not butler) the other one, is actually connect with you not only through the October 2013 post you made to me, to do what the investigator you said he was, says for me to do. Like that's likely after I had been on LF sight as a tax cheat and conspirator for nearly two years by that time. AND please don't forget the message you sent to LF of which I have a copy of them replying to your message. This message was before the Oct 2013 post to me, it was in early 2013 and I have a copy of it.

So please quit saying I have no evidence and also quit saying you were not involved with the other two, or is that three and a couple of aka's.

The truth always comes out. Might take time, but it will happen. And just because I ask Dave Butler to explain his lies to Blurb, does not mean there is any Tag Team. I ask because I want the answers, if anyone else happens to benefit from the information, well so be it.

Also quit saying you were not involved, it is quite clear you were, or you wouldn't know what you do.

Mini

[MINI]

Alan Thomas, on 04 March 2016 - 11:45 AM, said:

My response in blue

My evidence got a response from your admin a couple of times and the provider of the cyber space. So it would appear to be they thought it was worth replying to, to keep themselves out of the quagmire.

Mini

[MINI]

Alan Thomas, on 04 March 2016 - 11:45 AM, said:

My response in blue

My evidence got a response from your admin a couple of times and the provider of the cyber space. So it would appear to be they thought it was worth replying to, to keep themselves out of the quagmire.

Mini

[Alan Thomas]

Mini bridging one fact with another by way of assumption and extrapolation does not make facts but simply more speculation for you to become embroiled in.

[not their victim]

she does have facts.....

she has ROCK SOLID EVIDENCE

[Alan Thomas]

not their victim, on 04 March 2016 - 01:29 PM, said:

she does have facts.....

she has ROCK SOLID EVIDENCE

So you are trying to say that mini has rocks in her head

[David Butler]

not their victim, on 04 March 2016 - 09:59 AM, said:

Can't wait for David's reply to this one

Absolutely cracking up over the responses

I is- I am- I said- >>> After 13 more posts =Really Cracking up myself
And i havnt had to answer anything at all.




David

[David Butler]

MINI, on 04 March 2016 - 09:26 AM, said:

<br>If as you say Mr Butler that "Thomas never engaged me for any reasona at all Fran van Helmond.&nbsp;&nbsp;Nither did Thomas engage anyone selse that you portay as abover....etc &gt;<font color="#0000FF">IN ANY ISSUES I DEALT WITH &lt; you left that out Claire =WHY? </font><br> <font color="#0000FF">That is as and what i state Claire.&gt;Unequivocal. </font><br><br><br><br>If what you say is true Mr Butler, <br><font color="#0000FF">NO If's about it Calire-i write from fact documents -UNLIKE YOU.</font><br><br>then who did hire an investigator, as told to me by Thomas in October 2013, and named this person and instructed me to co-operate with him (the investigator)?<br><font color="#0000FF">You have stated many times and also stated you have informed the authorities as to whom that was So Claire I have no idea at all as to why you have to ask that info of me now at this late stage in your legal proceedings,that&nbsp;&nbsp;you have advertised as being undertaken.</font><br><br>Was it as said on LF that you approached them and asked for them to assist in getting Thomas a new trial as is spoken about on tape between you and investigator, that WEal, Miller and all the others need to be dealt with, (naming and defaming many of us on Lf) according to the spoken of investigator in Thomas post to me in October 2013?&nbsp;&nbsp;Are you saying you did that without Thomas knowledge.<br><font color="#0000FF">There is and was NO DOUBT at all that some needed to be looked at re there input as to the carry ons re the Bomb Plot within and out of here,Whatever may or may not have ensued as a result of that comment as to investigation or other means of showing up who was involved is not my problem to be concerned about as simply the documents recordings etc clearly show otherwise was to be the manner of procedural means to ascertain -in the normal prose of accforum.org&nbsp;&nbsp;terms of meaning/s,&nbsp;&nbsp;as to who was an asshole and who was not. </font><br><font color="#0000FF">I certainly dont tell you what and when to publish what to&nbsp;&nbsp;do-You do such a fine job as same as yo accuse others of i have no need to be involved with your publications as i had no need to be involved with others publications, and certainly have no input into what you allege accuse of as above.</font><br><font color="#0000FF">If someone speaks about a new trial then that is there view of what the issue needed and to that if they did or did not carry on -Then again Not my issue t be concerned about ..I am able to discuss what i like when i like with whom i like specially re the Bomb Plot as to all the false info being placed in and out of here about it and to ratify in a conversation that facts as opposed to the bullshit .</font><br><font color="#0000FF">There was a main catalyst for that conversation to take place and i have NOT YET seen you show /or even have the ability to look and work it out as facts of an event taking place and you do NOT /NEVER mention one word about it and that is where you FALL OVER ON YOUR Fat ass in any court legal proceedings,</font><br><font color="#0000FF">You lot basically put yourselves out there BY YOUR OWN ACTIONS OF STUPIDITY without any need for me to be involved as you so WRONGLY ACCUSE ME OF.</font><br><font color="#0000FF">one MAJOR MAIN pointy you miss out on as welL But il keep that to shove up you in your court case you say you have coming up on this issue</font><br><br>He certainly had the knowledge in October 2013!!&nbsp;&nbsp;There is no two ways about that.&nbsp;&nbsp;He names the so-called investigator.&nbsp;&nbsp;Which was very helpful of him.<br><font color="#0000FF">You make your accusations based on what you can think you see however, Could it be that you are in the area of the smoke and mirrors and cant possibly know or see what you are doing and are running round like one&nbsp;&nbsp;third of the three blind mini mices..</font><img src="http://accforum.org/forums/public/style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif"><br>Mini<br>

<br><br>Claire Hollis aka mini=For someone who has made serious accusations against myself and many others one has to wonder why you need to ask of all you do as above <br>one minute you publish you know it all and next minute you ask for information to conform your already made accusations<br>WHAT YOUR SAYING IS YOU Know what i was doing /what Dermot was doing and what Alan AND FEW OTHERS YOU HAVE ACUSED RE THIS ISSUE were/was doing all from your own home 1000's k;s away from any of us .<br>And You personally or by/ of any other means ,never being involved with any of us /communication with us. Thus having or being able to have any such knowledge of what each of us was doing and or even if we were in communication as a three way system to be doing what you accuse us of.WHICH WE WERE NOT Claire So Get that thru your THICK HEAD.<br>Now that is one big dilemma you have AS The FACT IS There is no way you could ever show that there was communications of any sort between three people who never entered into communications with each other as you have publicly accused us of<br>You have some issues to sort with your legals as they will be looking rather sick presenting your evidence against me as you have already accused of.<br>And again you try to link Thomas and me as some sort fo alliance in dealing with dermot re some pie in the sky investigation that was carried out by me Dermot and Thomas<br>Facts are Calire -YOU HAVE NO KNOWLEDGE OF WHEN or why I spoke with&nbsp;&nbsp;dermot and ,re Thomas its bloody obvious that NO ONE can deal with that moron in any matters at all in an agreeable manner to be able to have any cooperative activity re his issues..<br>So as ive said many times<br>but reality is there is no need for me do do a thing as it is you that has&nbsp;&nbsp;fked yourself over -quite approriattely at that by being playing your very own nasty minded venomous smart ass games out here.

<div>Finally as to you accusations re investigators on the case</div><div>There is only ONE person that spoke to the ones closely involved with the Takapuna Bomb Plot tan d hat was an investigation into what was going on and that &nbsp;Claire was way back in 2008 and was carried out by Warren Forster of which Miller Weal and Thomas can conform as being in process without an apparent ending as i have yet to see anything of substance presented or known to be presented to Thomas or his legals /which includes the documents i provided to Forster re the Plot to be passed on the Thomas and or his legals, as to the activity of Forster as the Investigator of bomb plot issues</div><div>Much later any documents i provided to others were merely to confirm as fact what was already known / published in here or to show what was published already was actually BULLSHIT and what /how that info was portrayed that just aint my problem Claire as Im not so stupid to publish my documents laced with false/misleading &nbsp;info as they have been by others</div><div>Now ive given you enough here to bugger off to your legals /the acc justice minister the police and anyone else youve provided false inof on about me and seriously re think where you stand as this point in time, and come back with an outright personal and public apology for all your false accusations youve made OTHERWISE Claire</div><div>I WILL TAKE YOU TO THE CLEANERS IN COURT VERY BLOODY SOON.</div><div><br></div><div>David Butler.</div>

The forum wizards have minced this up Claire but id take the time to unravel it and take heed of it all
as im not goingt resprt it for your benifit.