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Total Declinature Of Claim / Alan Thomas Allegations of working while incapacitated

#141 User is offline   Alan Thomas 

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Posted 23 April 2007 - 01:25 PM

Mini

I am confused by your last post.

The ACC is required to set a date for a Review Hearing within three months.

I wanted to know if WINZ are required to set a Benefit Review Committee Hearing with any particular time.


You say that you know the answer but you won't tell me because of something in your previous post.
Are you an ACC Case Manager or similar?
Has Darth Vader convinced you to work for the DARK SIDE?
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Posted 23 April 2007 - 03:34 PM

Sling as much muck as you like it is not going to stick!!

You concentrate on keeping Benson out of trouble.

Am I a case manage like Yeah!! You wouldn't have a show man if you were up against me. So stop slinging it!!
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#143 User is offline   Alan Thomas 

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Posted 23 April 2007 - 04:22 PM

Mini

What about if I beg you to tell me? Would you tell me then?

Why do ACC & WINZ case managers keep such information as why they are disentitling and the judicial remedies secret?

Perhaps you could prove you are different to those people and are one of us invalid to help each other.
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#144 User is offline   Alan Thomas 

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Posted 23 April 2007 - 07:38 PM

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Thank you very much for your massive attempt to address my problems. Unfortunately your hypotheses that have led to hypotheses on top of a hypothesis has made your perception of everything so convoluted that it has no relevance at all. In these circumstances it is best to go back to basics. Think about as an aircraft crash where you can no longer see the aeroplane but only the million pieces in the hole underground.

The common difficulty in this situation is that many people are trying to provide advice without understanding either the ACC & social welfare legislation and the foundation facts of a problem.

The basic facts:
pre injury self-employment and business continues post injury whereby seven years later ACC accuse me of working in one of my businesses.
ACC cancel a claim alleging information that I have been working but don't release the information preventing appeal.
WINZ disagree with ACC because they had provided staff and know the businesses.
WINZ immediately provide an invalids benefit, no capacity to work or earn.
ACC prosecute for fraud.
WINZ still disagree and continue with invalids benefit
ACC asked an uninvolved WINZ staff member to sign an affidavit contradicting continuance of invalid benefit.
WINZ acknowledged that the affidavit was wrong and had misled the court but would not withdraw but keep on paying invalids benefit creating a lot of internal conflict whether I am entitled to an invalids benefit or not.
Both ACC and WINZ sever all communications with me and also refuse to communicate with any spokesperson on my behalf to avoid addressing this and other issues of liability.
10 years after ACC decision and continuation of invalids benefit under WINZ I finally get the ACC appeal into court.
WINZ now suspend invalid benefit.
WINZ cannot say they don't have information such as forms and signatures as they have all information.

I have never received the proper invalids benefit as I have never been able to afford to pay for the invalid expenses so as to generate receipts so as to obtain reimbursement. When any receipts are submitted they are disregarded. I had shown the credit card expenses, together with receipts, for pain medication but still hadn't been reimbursed because ACC and WINZ argue amongst themselves who was liable.

WINZ appear to be thinking that they can drive down their liability by preventing me from having the ability to be an invalid and had invalid expenses. They know they can be no REIMBURSEMENT for things that COULD HAVE NEVER BEEN AFFORDED in the first place. In their mind I can't afford expenses and don't have expenses I don't have an entitlement because I remained alive without those expenses. Remaining alive while on pain is not living.

There is a copy of a copy of a copy of my claim forms simply because the original expenses quoted have never been fulfilled, not reduced and I had never been able to generate actual expenses to make any changes to the form.

$30 per week gets withdrawn from my invalids benefit even though my daughter is 25 years old and I had 50% custody. While I had ACC and was paying 100% of my child's needs my ex-wife claimed the solo mother's benefit. When ACC stopped and I went on an invalids benefit and would not provide funding for my daughter and I lost custody.

Whenever I seek a Benefit Review Committee a hearing date is not set.

It seems that a lot of people posting to this thread have a perception that I am somehow responsible for these failures. I also notice that many people posting have applied very fertile imaginations to the information which is probably what both ACC and WINZ staff to do when they don't sit down on a one-to-one basis with the pieces of paper such as quotations for medical needs as described by medical professionals.


I do not need nor want an agent. I am a grown-up. I want to continue socially independent. I more than delighted to have someone pass on messages for me and receive information for me while I am trespassed. There is absolutely no need to use our valuable agent resources when there are so many people who need help understanding their rights. I can see how the ACC and WINZ would like some compliance little old lady with blue hair from the Citizens Advice Bureau to take charge, under their preprogrammed expert technical supervision of course.

A well-known advocacy group in Auckland has already wanted to artificially increase the figures on the forms to give the room to negotiate down to the needed amount and to tick the box that I am not working knowing that I'm helping others without realising to do so would be fraud. To be fair **** ********** had no idea what I was talking about but still did his very best wRoK and Rwiting but solved nothing, bless him, but he still had a nice holiday in Auckland.

To be socially independent I need freedom of communication with the relevant government agencies. This means a sit down with the relevant paperwork and doing arithmetic with them. They cannot reduce their liabilities by simply trespassing and ignoring me. It is not rocket surgery.
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Posted 24 April 2007 - 10:41 AM

Alan there was some good stuff that may actually have relevance for you... try reading it again ...

And while I might agree your take of the historic position i think you are wearing very rose coloured glasses .

I think if you ever want to progress ( and this is not a given) then you need to sit down and address why it all went wrong and what you did or did not do that contributed to it all .

I will stand up and say that you were wronged .. of that I do not question...

BUT you stuffed it it up even more ......what should have been fixable early in the piece became a huge and complex battle .

Why ??? because you went from a high functioning well respected business man to a still high functioning but head injured person .A dangerous combination .. and made even more so because you are unable to listen to others..

I know all this too well , I was one of the very lucky ones ... I was sent to Dorothy Gronwall just as I was about to follow your path .
Since that time I have seen the complications the high functioning head injured can cause them selves in not only dealings with ACC but in their business commercial affairs as well.

We are our own worst enemies . we have the skills to complicate stuff so much not only do we tie everyone else up in notes but ourselves as well..

This is why i prowl the neuro wards , rehab centers and support groups . Getting to the high functioning TBIers to make sure they don't make the same mistakes . In fact the main advise is to hand over or have every decision vetted don't trust you judgment or logic .. have it double checked...
I did not take this advise I might point out when Dorothy gave it...otherwise i would be in a far more advantageous financial situation , still be married and have a social circle .. It did sink in after a while .. Now I do my bit to make sure others have the opportunity of learning by my mistakes ....
I keep away from the legal aspects , they complicate life .
It simply pays to ensure things do not develop, especially for brain injured we get obsessive , obsessive does not work with Govt depts they are a human less face .. Instead of saying ... this man is acting in such and such way that is not supporting his situation , he needs even more of our help he has a problem , they get defensive... and it become a long term issue .

Just because you might be right Alan does not mean you have a winnable battle ... all you have is fuel to keep your obsession fired up .

I am at a lose to even try and try and offer sensible advise as to solutions .. frankly I don't see any , that is not to say there isn't but out of my scope.

All I can suggest is you examine just what you may have done to contribute to the mess you find youself in .. evaluate compromises and decide just how little you can settle for and get back to a minimal but satisfactory life.. and then focus on that as your target .

good luck mate .. but for the grace of god ????

tony
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Posted 24 April 2007 - 11:15 AM

Anonamousey

What great patience you have!! Honestly, I admire you!

I think you have put the relevent 'get the food on the table' type information that all can read and learn from.

If they care not to read or take action on what you have provided there is little we can do!!

We cannot help those who refuse to help themselves.

Cheers
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#147 User is offline   Alan Thomas 

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Posted 24 April 2007 - 11:30 AM

tonyj

What do you think I might have done to staff brings up or personally do to matters worse for me?

Please make sure you make references to actual information rather than the pattern of assumptions.
Naturally it is quite easy to be wise in retrospect.

What are the remedies to the WINZ stuffups?

What are the remedies to my stuffups?


A very well respected WINZ agent company in Auckland as recommended placing false information and WINZ application forms even though knowing I have been prosecuted for fraud with the allegation that I had falsified ACC medical certificates. Other well-meaning professional agents have as you well know been grossly incompetent. The above form is a case in point. WINZ accept that form but ignore the information in it.

Naturally I feel like I am living it in Alice in Wonderland.

Are you proposing that I dumb myself down? The type of brain injury I have in no way affects mental cognisance or capacity to reason. The neuropsychological assessment demonstrates on all aspects of the decision-making and reasoning side to be relatively intact so there would be no reason for me to hand decision-making off to a third person. The rotted out part of my brain effects short-term memory, language, right hand function and occasionally sight. The extra work required to function renders me prematurely exhausted which combined with the sarcoidosis exhausts me further.

Gill Newburn, who was much the same as Dorothy Cromwell, acknowledges this problem but his advice was to stear the course true and recognise that most of the front-line staff of ACC, WINZ and the various help agencies are staffed by societies screw ups that are employed into these jobs when in fact they are unemployable.

Obviously there is not a snowball's chance in hell that any halfway intelligent person is going to hand their life over to the control of a loony.

My problem is that I have always been a self-sufficient. In addition I have always been an employer supervising, guiding in teaching others through their stuffups that cost me money. In other words I have been leading not following. Naturally it is not possible for me to follow a loony. Generally speaking I am incredibly patient and have the integrity/endurance of Job.

Throughout my life I have been the one who is called in to solve the problems. I'm accustomed to establishing the criteria for virtually anything in bringing everything back on to an even keel. The problem I am finding with the ACC/WINZ is that these front-line staff are loony with an excessive amount of power. I am up against loonies in a frenzy to force their way of doing things rather than what their employer requires of them and their employer would rather be loyal to their staff instead of looking after the core business.

Everything seems to have degenerated into some form of social negotiation, a subject only you appear to have become a specialist in dealing with.

Your analysis of my situation is obviously correct in as much as these front-line staff have become defensive when I have attempted to secure what is mine in the way of entitlements. The obvious alternative would have been that I would have had absolutely nothing a long long time ago.

When I was released from prison (ACC fraud) after my wife had been deported to China they wanted to deduct her wages from the WINZ invalid benefit with the expectation that she also contribute in other ways. This meant that I would be receiving a total of $76 per week. They simply laughed at me. They felt they were doing their job. I had an agent with me who agreed the arithmetic had been done correctly. We then left.

Far from being obsessive I have simply been patient polite and written letters that describe the facts and ask questions. Rather than determine an answer the typical response is for ACC/WINZ to be defensive and avoid answering questions at all costs through to trespassing me and ignoring all further written communication together with ignoring any spokesperson making inquiry including the ombudsman and political machinery.

Trying to survive intact is not obsessive. I would not say that I am obsessive that I am certainly resilient solely because I have no other means of support while waiting for the surgery that will allow me to return to work. I know that I did not do anything out of the ordinary or unreasonable. If I did it would have been inconsequential with no relationship to my current circumstance. If they had been any option of compromise it would have been seized with both hands.

You are forgetting that I have been accused of working, imprisoned, lost my wife, child, family, friends, home business, the use of my hand when I can be easily repaired, and inebriated with pain medication and now live as the troll in a basement flat of which I'm about to be evicted because WINZ have stopped the invalids benefit and have severed all communications while also removing the jurisdictional remedy to the problem.

If I truly have no future, and while considering the last 18 years would preferably not been lived, then it is time to terminate rather than continue in pain/misery and be a burden on society.
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Posted 24 April 2007 - 11:31 AM

Tonj

Ditto my message to Anonamousey and thank you for being there for people who need you.

Cheers
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Posted 24 April 2007 - 12:13 PM

GOOD NEWS

No communication but I think just maybe WINZ have made a decision.

23/04/2007 DC W&I Benefit A THOMAS $2,893.41

It calculates out to $40 more than I was getting before which is a puzzle as I don't know what the new calculation relates to as it certainly does not relate to the paperwork that went in.

Looks like I get to stay living in the same home and will be able to purchase that roll of toilet paper I have been saving up for. I might even shout myself some medical treatment and keep those hospital appointments.

Now I need the security of a decision made by the Benefit Review Committee so entitlements are not turned off and on at random. I still think I would benefit from a relationship with a Case Manager at my local WINZ branch.
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Posted 24 April 2007 - 01:00 PM

Congratulations and salutations.
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Posted 24 April 2007 - 01:06 PM

Alan .
No I cannot answer those question .. you are the only one one who can...


quote Alan
I you proposing that I dumb myself down? The type of brain injury I have in no way affects mental cognisance or capacity to reason. The neuropsychological assessment demonstrates on all aspects of the decision-making and reasoning side to be relatively intact so there would be no reason for me to hand decision-making off to a third person. The rotted out part of my brain effects short-term memory, language, right hand function and occasionally sight. The extra work required to function renders me prematurely exhausted which combined with the sarcoidosis exhausts me further.
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decision-making and reasoning side to be relatively intact........Alan I can do a neuropsych test with the same outcomes .....the next day or even later the same day they are rushing to get the men in white coats and straight jackets ... You have a bloody brain injury for god sake... you are your own worst enemy ... we are our own worst enemy ... we are not consistent... we go tropo .. we can't see the woods for the trees .. we can't admit mistakes when we are like this cause we don't want to be like this ... just read your postings mate ...

I have a twelve inch thick file of my obsession .. a battle with the CMDHB , MOH and HDC re systemic problems in the Public health system that nearly killed me back in 2002 .. I was about to publish it for revenge , it has some extremely controversial and damaging stuff in it all supported by documentation ... trust me it is extensive and very damaging... trouble is after 4 yrs of hard work on it , I am having seconds thoughts ... those that should be faulted will get off scot free but it will cause no end of problems for the inexperienced or overworked front line staff . I have even paid for the proofs to be run...Do I need the agro or the stress , it seems a few deaths have had the matters i intended to expose on the map ...for my own sanity and ongoing wellness I might just put it to bed.. With one foul swoop I could have proved I was right all along .. but at what cost...

Sometime we have to realize enough is enough Alan , let go and work towards a solution .
I do my best to live by the creed of the serenity prayer these days ... its tough enough keeping a grip on any vestige of quality of life without adding to the problems... i find my life these days is full of compromises but less stressful...

You need to remember that just because you have not always had hard working honest and diligent case managers in the past , theses day you would not know one if they came along and maybe back then at times as well.let me tell you they do exist .. in fact by far the majority are top people in my book . Yes they get it wrong , far to often , worse still instead of remedy it is made worse most of the time if its not nipped in the bud early.
BUT I am prepared to go out on a limb and say the cultural changes i have personally seen since jan White took the helm have been most positive . There is still along way to go but if it keeps tracking as it is ACC may be heading back to a more supportive and progressive role for the long termers in particular .
Alan if these has been any window of opportunity to have SOME of your issues addressed its is now if not past...

The only advise i would give people is to seek their help , offer them any face saving opportunity they may request , bend like a willow and keep it simple ... legal complications only confuse them and cause them to pass the buck rather than solve the problem ..Don't or at least try not to do anything that will have them put you in the too hard basket...or send you to Siberia ( the LTCU or RCU) Make you life an open book to them.. easy to get the whole picture not just bits , thats when mistakes get made .. The most important is be totally honest with them , don't play games and keep them informed.. Especially if you have a head injury..

Quality of life is something we have to work for these days , its a lot tougher for many of us due to the likes of pain and other factors ... the little we get is to precious to squander battling the system .. yes at time one can be the victor but at what cost . We know it can work , not all the time ( in fact seldom) to our expectations but better than the alternative in my book.. So its often a case of accepting a lesser outcome for sanities sake and making the best of an already bad situation .

your battle is with you now Alan not ACC and until you are able to actually seek their help or even find away to be able to seek their help you will only keep repeating the trauma you experience.

tony
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Posted 24 April 2007 - 02:16 PM

Tony all brain injuries are not created equal. Each brain injury is competently unique ranging from any manner of minor and inconvenient dysfunction through to a vegetative state.

I do not behave inconsistently. I have established the baseline information and relevant legislation to that information and steadfastly steared the course the course and finally, it would appear won. Had I have kowtowed, being subservient or surrendered in any way or form I would have progressively eroded my entitlements. This is the reason we have laws to protect us against the marauding servants.

Tony I would suggest you read George Orwell's 1984.

The cost of you or us doing nothing is that the evil prevails. I would rather die than do nothing if others were to be harmed by my failure to act. This gets back to whether we should be like Chamberlain or Churchill, to negotiate or to go into battle. I believe there are times that it is appropriate to go into battle no matter what the odds and no matter that we are going up against overwhelming forces. We do it because it is the proper thing to do.

It Chamberlain had his way we can be assured that the Nazi empire would have disentitled all invalid throughout the planet and that progressively we would have been exterminated. These are the days of remembrance important for not only the 6 million Jews that were exterminated but also the other 6 million that were also exterminated of which included a very substantial number of invalids.

Tony I appreciate that at times as invalids we become exhausted. The benefit of the site is that when one of us become exhausted another carries the load. I had become nearly exhausted and was considering my options over the next few days when the problem was resolved, not as a result of any intervention but my steadfastness to the rule of law and the purity of fact.

I hope that your serenity and prayer is not to a made up friend for grown-ups, as the state frequently relies upon religion to fill the gap of the deficiency. Faith is not an empty thing but is based on the reality of things though not yet beheld. Kind of like the faith that the fridge light will go out when you shut the door in accordance with the way the creator made it.

Tony we will only hang on to our sanity if we had something real to hold on to. We have a real right to entitlements in accordance with law based on the reality of our incapacities. We have to stand up to the evil and tyranny so as the system does not continue to deteriorate. To compromise and to become subservient to evil is to become part of the problem.

Tony if you are familiar with the movie the Matrix you will know what I mean when I say that I think you have taken the blue pill rather than the red pill. No matter how ugly the truth is I would rather take the red pill and face the reality for the sake of my humanity.

Tony you clearly need the support of others and you others we clearly need to form a stronger bond of union based on the reality of our entitlements and rights.

Tony I have never once had a hard-working honest diligent case manager. Not ever not once throughout the entire record of my file. I know there have been and are good case managers, I was best man for one just a few months ago. Over an eight-year period he observed gross corruption in the 1980s and even smuggled material out for the Prime Minister because the Prime Minister could not even get the truth out of the ACC. Clearly such a person founder necessary to remove himself from the filth and fear that he too would become corrupt.

Everybody makes mistakes and especially case managers who do not receive any training or guidance. The problem is that when mistakes are made a corporate culture is to hide the mistakes even using dishonesty to hide the mistakes and you never ever admit wrong or failure. As an engineer myself and my peers could never ever hide a single mistake with the result that we are habitually honest with ourselves.

The Corporate culture of the ACC and WINZ will come right within 24 hours of incarceration of their peers. ACC and WINZ will not grind to a halt just because they had to do their job properly and remedy mistakes that led to exist rather than hide them. I don't need these people to be supported and progressive, I just want them to obey the law. How on earth can what they have done to me hope to be addressed gradually!

Tony I don't want these people to save face, I want them incarcerated. I am already in Siberia and you bring me back is to sign their own death warrant. Tony they simply will not do that which leaves the only possible remedy, legal force.

I trust you now realise that I am not seeking assistance to compromise or capitulate that seek assistance to have what is mine so as I may enjoy the quality of life granted to me by legislation rather than the whim of the servants. I make no apology was seeking to uphold the law and I would consider myself less manly if I didn't to the full extent of my limited capacity regardless if I was to fail in the endeavour.
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Posted 24 April 2007 - 06:11 PM

I am surprised at the reactions from several people over alans situation.Some of you have offered ''help'' yet you have become obviously angry and aggressive and downright rude, when you are unable to come up with an immediate and effective answer.When alan hasnt said how amazing you are and what insight you have, some of you have resorted to abuse .This strikes me as being all about massaging your egos.Alan hasnt, so stuff alan aye! What an amazing reaction from people that often skite about how much work they do for others.It says a lot to me about the motivation a lot of people have in belonging to this site.Oh you wont take my advice , well you must be acting like a spoilt child then alan.Just compromise a little alan, help is here if you want it alan.Help my foot, the tactics that have been used to ease your bruised egos, have involved- running down alans dignity, attacking the relationship he had with his partner,slagging his family, indicating he is a loser, comparing his ability to provide to that of the actual writer (''i am better than you''..wow), heavy sarcasm and more than likely running to a moderator crying that the thread is chewing up resources , (because i want to get him back- for what, not pretending the ''helpers'' are amazing).Its like there is this competition (amoung some here)to see who knows the most, and if you lose you start attacking whoever has more experience etc..
Yes alan is taking a stand, good on him.We need people like that.People that wont be pushed around, that refuse to give in just because the system is trying to teach him a lesson.I bet a lot of you detractors have not even read the whole thread properly, before you offer your self fulfilling ''assistance''.Is it any wonder he doesnt take your advice, because the advice has often been no good.
Its pretty obvious, that in dealing with winz he has tried to use the rights that he does have.Winz have tried to stop him just because they want to teach him a lesson or because they are bored sad people, or because he dared to question them- whatever the specifics of it, they are using their power to indulge in a personal attack on him.Yet despite this, some of you have wanted him to bend over for them.Did gandi and his followers bend over, no they walked to their death and disfigurement for a right a principle.When unions have a big point to prove, they sometimes go on strike for so long that they will never make that money up.They know that, we all know why they do it, even if it seems to be biting off your nose to spite your face.I was under the impression a lot of people on this site also thought some things are worth a bloody good fight.You are of course aware that unions will seek assistance when they are on strike and fighting, even help with the basics in life, exactly as alan has done.To call him a beggar is distgusting.
If you dont like what he is doing, then keep it to yourself, putting him down does him no good, it only seeks to raise yourself up , and points to your own inadequacy not power.
Go well alan, what you are fighting for is a worthy fight and one which will benefit those that come after you.You are a proud and intelligent man.good luck roamy
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Posted 24 April 2007 - 06:40 PM

View PostAlan Thomas, on Apr 24 2007, 02:16 PM, said:

a) Tony all brain injuries are not created equal. Each brain injury is competently unique ranging from any manner of minor and inconvenient dysfunction through to a vegetative state.

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B) I do not behave inconsistently. I have established the baseline information and relevant legislation to that information and steadfastly steared the course the course and finally, it would appear won. Had I have kowtowed, being subservient or surrendered in any way or form I would have progressively eroded my entitlements. This is the reason we have laws to protect us against the marauding servants.

c) I hope that your serenity and prayer is not to a made up friend for grown-ups, as the state frequently relies upon religion to fill the gap of the deficiency. Faith is not an empty thing but is based on the reality of things though not yet beheld. Kind of like the faith that the fridge light will go out when you shut the door in accordance with the way the creator made it.


A) As well for the mild to moderate there are a lot of common factors ...

B) I would question how you could have ended up as you have without a degree of inconsistent behavior , perhaps as a result of interactions with ACC ... but but never the less not in your best interest .. If this is a win Alan I am surprised , I cannot see it giving you even the slightest reason to celebrate other than in the moment..

C) I am a born again fundamentalist .. a Hindu, Islamic, Budda , Jane , Christian, Jew with an underlying Sufi influence, tainted by Alister Crowely
and Bob Dylan , I have worshiped the sun , moon and at times fine females ( thats got my firm spiritual beliefs out of the way) but I can still get a lot of support from the serenity prayer ... its just common sense .

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#155 User is offline   Alan Thomas 

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Posted 24 April 2007 - 06:55 PM

Roamy

Thank you very much for those insightful and kind words of encouragement. Intuitively I know that I cannot be held responsible for doing bad things if I never do bad things.

My motto through life has been if you do everything right nothing will go wrong, so long as you control everything.

Being self-employed and an employer that things were not done right I would have the power to put it right. I was always responsible for everything within my domain, no exceptions. If other people under my supervision did wrong I paid for it. If an employee did not know what to do or make mistakes I would show them how to do it right. If the supplier did not supply I would seek my suppliers elsewhere.

Currently on the ACC and WINZ am I supplier that I find myself being unable to resolve the issue except to become a refugee


I have always found the that the best way to stop dreaming
is to wake up. I am awake!

"I don't want to achieve immortality through my work...I want to achieve it through not dying. "

Never give in! Never give In!
Never, never, never, never --
in monthing great and smaill --
large and petty --
Never give in except to convictions of honor and good sense.
Never yield to force and the apparently overwhelming might of the enemy.
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Posted 25 April 2007 - 06:37 PM

I will stop offering Alan advise , but those of you who want to encourage him to keep on suffering as he is might like to offer him some constructive thoughts not just pissing in his pocket.. A window of opportunity is out there , Jan White is trying to have some of the long term historic cock ups made good .. if you all want to shit on her attempts and make it impossible to meet half way in finding compromise solutions frankly thats fine with me.

I am all right jack and I get more than enough solvable and fixable complications to keep me entertained from people who actually want to rectify mistakes and regain quality of life..

Just a bit of advise ... this window of opportunity will be limited re long term complex cases , especially when they are faced with lack of co-operation and lack of willingness to work with them.

If you don't like the advise and discussion Alan has received give him some yourself that may be of more benefit than ... good on you mate .. be a marter (sic)

OK I will shut up ... and leave it to you ...good luck..

bye bye ..

tony
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#157 User is offline   Alan Thomas 

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Posted 25 April 2007 - 07:06 PM

Tonyj

Tony while I respect you I disagree with you. Clearly we have opposing viewpoints. You propose a stratagem of negotiation and conciliation where I say we go to war.

For the following reasons I have absolutely no intention of meeting ACC halfway. I want all of the money they owe me, not one cent less! The legislation and a duty to administer that legislation is absolute, no compromise, no discount.

Tony have we deal with the difficult and more complicated problems rigorously all other claims will be straightforward and easy. If we incarcerate the ACC staff members who steal from an invalids it will act as a deterrent to the others contemplating dishonesty or shortcuts.

Tony every compromise at every turn we will progressively get less and less. As wave after wave of the invalid compromises ultimately there will be no entitlements whatsoever. For example if we compromised 2% from each claim how many years would it take until we got 98% of nothing?

Tony the very wise legislators provided Part 5 of the Act to resolve problems. The legislators could not possibly envisage discounts and compromises simply to dig the ACC out of the whole they have dug.

It is the CEO's job to determine the systemic failures of the Corporation she heads. She is well qualified and experienced for this task and does not need people like you or I to point out the failings of the Corporation she heads. She is either conceding and incompetence to be the CEO or there is a propaganda campaign underway to lead people to give the ACC discounts in the belief that the ACC needs time to come around to the way of thinking necessary to make good on their liabilities.

Tony it is quite in order for us to have different viewpoints. I come from a project management background whereby I either prevent problems from occurring in the first place in order to get the job done or I am brought in to solve a problem. Your background equips you to manage capital assets as well. Both of us have valid arguments but I prefer mine and you prefer yours.

The best way to determine the future of an organisation to achieve its mission is to look at his past and examine what is deficient. I am of the opinion that the correction to the ACC's corporate culture, that says it's okay to steal invalids entitlements, requires very aggressive instruments of change far greater than conciliation and negotiation. I do not believe a few invalids can achieve this change.

You must understand that the ACC have reduced their liabilities by making a false allegation against me that I was working and then after 10 years had still failed to describe a particular task activities or the material times this alleged work has taken place. Initially they appeared to suggest I had acquired a new occupation and now they are alleging I have a capacity to return to my pre injury occupation while at the same time admitting not knowing what the pre injury occupation was. They obtained a medical report without medical information or clinical examination then asked WINZ to sign an affidavit that I wasn't entitled to a WINZ benefit. The fact remains I have been on an invalids benefit with no capacity to work until the present.

Tony if you have a basis for your belief that your thinking and some form of powers of persuasion can achieve the necessary results you have my ear. Please explain your rationale.
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#158 User is offline   Alan Thomas 

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Posted 26 April 2007 - 12:40 AM

Tonyj
Perhaps your people and my people can have lunch with their people.


Al9lifes

All that has happened is WINZ have paid money into my account. I have not yet received any communication as to the reason. The last communication from WINZ was with Benson with WINZ avoiding answering Benson's questions but providing them with a barrage of excuses.

As far as I'm concerned they WINZ issue is still in the air on a wait-and-see basis.

I have paid my rent paid some of the loans and purchase groceries including toothpaste. Aren't clean teeth wonderful.

By the time I've caught up with all the debt there will still not be enough money for the doctor or transport to and from the series of hospital appointments over the coming month. The car's warren of fitness has just expired and there are also a number of other expenses that cannot be met until WINZ calculate my invalids benefit in accordance with the actual projected costs. The war is not over despite winning one battle.


Hardwired

I am very sorry you had had some bad experiences with project managers that did not keep the project under control to the extent that specifications were altered. I shall go one step further I was a mechanical design engineer/project manager. This means I decided what was going to come into existence and made sure that there was no deviation from the specification I had set.

Translating that into the ACC Act the government has set an insurance specification, we paid our levies and expect delivery of our insurance in accordance with specification. I for one do not expect to start negotiating after the fact. I do not expect my insurance company (the ACC) to start talking about other interested parties! It is my money and nobody else's.

The same goes for WINZ Invalids Benefit. It is my money and nobody else's.

Hardwired I would really appreciate you taking the time to read the posts I have made rather than what other people have allege that I have said. For example the entire invalid benefit was stopped with no money coming in for eight weeks. I have never asked anybody for money even though some have provided food.

When WINZ finally did restart the invalids benefit they made a back payment that equated to $40 more than what I was receiving previously. This does not mean I have been protesting about $40. The difference between what I have been getting and what the regional manager had determined I should be getting to cover my additional invalid expenses is much more than that.

In real terms there is no difference between food and emergency ambulance transportation or opiate type medication etc. How we put a price on me driving an unregistered unwarranted care while inebriated with medication well beyond any legal driving limit so I can go to the hospital?

In real terms state servant have committed acts of war against me. In real terms I did qualify as a refugee to achieve refugee status in countries that accept refugees when addressing this matter with a United Nations representative. My rights had been removed by the ACC act followed by a failure to provide disability access to the courts with a result I was incarcerated and are still at risk of being reincarcerated. Being taken from the court in an ambulance on the court was to determine whether or not I was incapacitated based on the ACC allegation that I was no longer incapacitated which was in turn based upon unqualified third-party assumption rather than medical information is a very serious matter. ACC private investigators making false claims to immigration regarding my witnesses causing them to be removed from the country when a special-purpose visa had obtained so as to give evidence for me is tantamount to kidnapping witnesses, also a very serious matter.

Been trespassed and threatened with the police and the rest for having a stroke on WINZ premises rather than calling an ambulance is also very serious. Cutting off all access to all communications so as to deny me invalid access to WINZ so as to acquire invalid entitlements is a very serious matter.

Hardwired I am quite confused by the stance you are taking against me. Surely at the State commits an act of war against the citizens the citizens should respond appropriately. In communist countries the citizens survived by kowtowing to the Cantons. It appears that you are supporting socialism in New Zealand together with all the trappings of socialism whereby the state determines the destiny of the individual rather than the land of the free when they have the right to bear arms so as to put down the government should the government dare to commit acts of war against the citizen.

This act of war that the state has committed against invalids is not much different to the act of war the Nazi party committed against invalids 60-70 years ago. The Corporation's administration of the ACC act and the way in which WINZ looks after invalids does shorten our life expectancy. The question we have to ask yourself is well we retaliate with the appropriate level of force or will we capitulate and resign ourselves to having years removed from our life while at the same time suffering hardship?

Make no mistake this a real war, a war that involves the life and death struggle of invalids who have had their rights taken from them by an Act of Parliament.

You somehow think it is wrong to express righteous indignation against this warlike socialism that exists and festers throughout New Zealand's state servants. Hardwired I fear that you may be suffering from the pervasive effects of propaganda and the power of gradualism.

The point in time when the citizens stand up against the State in the face of socialistic strategies and gradualism which diminish our rights and freedoms is difficult. The Jewish people, various others including invalids in Germany routinely attempted to negotiate and placate the position in face of the Nazi ideals. Churchill was a lone voice in the wilderness seeking to rescue these people.

Given the reflection of these last few days regarding those who rescued the world from tyranny I am very surprised that you so openly criticise these heroes of history. I even more surprised that you should compare me with them. I don't know whether to be gobsmacked or proud. Perhaps I am both.

I propose that we don't die for our country. I propose that we help them die for their country at their own hand. As they have dug themselves into a hole I propose that they should be allowed to dig their graves a little deeper. Rest assured that once the grave is deep enough there will be a cave in without us needing to do anything. Well not much. I am looking forward to urinating on that grave. Can you blame me?

To put your mind at rest I do not propose that we invalids carry flaming torches and pitchfork's rallying at the gates of the ACC fortress. Nor do I propose destruction of property or the execution of perhaps a very deserving ACC staff as they have an unlimited budget to build even more grandiose buildings and are quite prepared to employ more staff and pay psychologists to persuade them that they are safe.

The war that I propose is the disclosure of information. I propose that we are in the darkness and that we should proactively turn on the light. This proposal does not make me into the monster that you perceive. I do however believe that I might have become the ACC's worst nightmare given that I am proposing a "Paradigm Shift".

Notwithstanding the above hardwired you have provided me with an interesting insight into what might be a very common ailment of those who have been socially engineered at the hand of socialism not the least of which is the ACC scheme. Given the percentages of those on the site that share your approach to life I can see that I have been right all along in as much as the war must be fought with the right stratagem on the battlefield of my choosing, information.

This war at the moment is with an army of Ninja Turtles on the Internet sharing information. Who do you think established the initiating Internet site which has evolved into this one? One can only wonder what the next phase of my dastardly and cunning stratagem.

Hardwired what you and your team have all taught me is that I should watch my back.
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Posted 26 April 2007 - 09:42 AM

Hardwired.

Stop trying to boss people around!

It is Alan's sandpit and he can throw sand at whoever he wants.
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Posted 26 April 2007 - 10:39 AM

Space cadet

Only if they stay near enough to Allan to let him do it eh??

Like Tonyj has stopped trying to help.

Hardwired has stopped trying to help.

I diffinately am not feeding Allan's ego anymore, I think he gets off on it.

And many others will not be giving assistance to this manipulative emotional blackmailer in any way shape or form.

He doesnt even know that $=food. Look at posting #195.

No more 'bites' from me.

Byeeeee
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