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Coronavirus (COVID-19) Preparation and Prevention for those who are injured

#1 User is offline   Alan Thomas 

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Posted 02 March 2020 - 12:44 PM

ACC claimants, as a matter of urgency and necessity, need to be aware of the injury related extra impact of COVID-19


Sadly it is us the injured and infirm that are at most risk from the Covid 19 virus. We will be needing additional help. In short it is a matter of life and death.


Given the nature of this COVID-19 pandemic that has now arrived in New Zealand those of us who have injuries that include lung damage and compromised immune systems, perhaps by chemical injury, are going to need to be extra vigilant.
For those who simply contract COVID-19 while working overseas they will need to be aware of the entitlements under the ACC legislation in the circumstances.

Facing our new environment:

For some time now the world has been in the state of an emergency after reaching the criteria of a pandemic. "Pan" refers to this disease as being global and "demic" means an infectious disease.
The recent infected arrival from Iran has demonstrated just how ineffectual our borders are in as much as after this person entered hospital it was noted that they were already on the mend. This means that they were perfectly well aware that they were infected before they left Iran for New Zealand. Those who accompanied this infected person were not immediately quarantined along with all those in the immediate vicinity on the plane. This breach of our biological security is bad enough but the true terror of the situation is that already large numbers will already be a New Zealand quite innocently carrying COVID-19 who have not yet become symptomatic yet are highly infectious.

We need to be self-aware with regards to the information we are receiving. From what we are observing overseas governments have routinely made announcements with confidence that everything is under control. In the main they are either ignorant or simply lying. It is not in the interests of a nation to mobilise the nation at an early stage as this will cause very significant financial losses. For example our country exports food and no one is going to purchase food if we have a virus running rampant. We see health ministers of other countries going on television telling their population that everything is in order despite the fact that they are very obviously ill and sweating profusely et cetera only to make a later announcement that they too are suffering from this current emergency involving the very infectious COVID-19.

The key elements of COVID-19 that we need to be aware of is:
There is no cure to COVID-19. In New Zealand we will probably have a few tens of thousands that will acquire this new virus of which 80% will endure without any real difficulties. Of the remaining 20% that have become infected they would need special medical care with a large number needing oxygen and other critical care and the appropriate medical facilities. Of this group many will be quite severely ill.the percentage risk of dying from this virus internationally is somewhere between 1% and 4%. This number largely depends on available medical facilities.
The infectious rate of someone infected with COVID-19 is going to be somewhere between 1% and 4% with the average being 2.6%. For example one person is going to infect on average 2.6 individuals who will in turn infect another 2.6 individuals. This means that more than likely we are going to have somewhere between 5 - 10 in just over a week from now and many hundreds by the end of the month.

At this stage our health system is going to cope quite easily but by the end of the following month the answer has to be no they are not going to cope unless the authorities act in a preventive manner rather than the current reactive manner.
If we're New Zealand take all the necessary precautions to contain and or avoid COVID-19 our medical facilities will be able to cope. However if New Zealand does not immediately start taking the necessary precautions it is going to take about a month or two for the virus to override our current medical facilities with the result that New Zealand will be virtually going into a shutdown mode.

COVID-19 is known to be an airborne virus which means it floats in the atmosphere significant distances. You don't need to be directly sneezed on or simply come in contact with droplets, although if this does happen your risk factors are significantly raised.
COVID-19 is a virus (not bacterial) which means that what is effectively a form of software has taken control of one or more cells in the host for the purposes of multiplying that virus and spreading throughout the host body. Primarily this virus involves the bronchial tubes of the lungs of which hijacked tissues die and are either expelled for others to become infected or go on to further infect the host infected person.
The primary access for droplets and airborne COVID-19 is via the eyes followed by other access points such as nose and mouth. For this reason it is very important to develop the habit of not touching your face at all.
While children are less susceptible to the virus and as much as their infection will only be quite mild the factors that they make excellent little carriers of every form of bacteria and viruses known to man including COVID-19. Great care should therefore be taken in the cleanup of all children as they enter the home followed by the parent et cetera cleaning themselves as well after being in contact for this purpose.

The most important item is either a wraparound form of safety glasses or even sunglasses but even better still proper form of safety goggles.
Gloves are very important. Latex gloves are probably perfectly adequate but be very careful of cheap vinyl gloves that are easily torn. When you take off the gloves make sure you either wash your hands with the gloves on first or pull them inside out as you remove them. Wash your hands again after you remove them anyway.

Paper masks are very ineffectual for the purposes of avoiding contracting this virus. They quite quickly become moist, may be as little as 10 minutes, and slow down the airflow which means that the airflow will then come around the sides of the mask. however a cheap mask such as this may remind you not to touch your face.

Masks that are relevant to this virus will have the criteria N95 on them. It would be wise to acquire such masks immediately as without doubt they are going to be sold out. They can be purchased from pharmacists, hardware outlets, car painting suppliers and perhaps for a time yet on trade me. Gloves Could also be purchased at the same outlets.
When coming home have a routine of first washing your hands followed by the removal of all of your outside clothes and place them in the washing machine followed by washing your hands again. Any items that have been brought into the home including groceries, handbag, briefcase, schoolbooks and suchlike should be either wipe down or sprayed with a suitable disinfectant.It would be even better to have a shower at this time. This should be done before you have any physical contact with anyone in the home and particularly before touching any thing in the house at all. Once cleaned up from the outside environment is only then you can consider yourself safely at home and ready to kiss and cuddle Et cetera.


Simple precautions:
Avoid contact with as many people as possible.
Do not congregate in groups, particularly large groups such as rock concerts, church groups and such like.
The most important thing we can do is wash our hands a lot more than we do now and particularly after we have been in places whereby virus may have been sneezed out on various surfaces.
Shopping and other necessities must be minimised as much is possible. It would be a good idea to start stockpiling necessities ranging from toilet paper through to Items such as tinned and long-lasting food to reduce the number of times we need to go shopping once New Zealand falls into an endemic environment.
Perhaps others might contribute their suggestions on this threat.


Injured ACC claimants.
Statistics demonstrate that those who have compromised systems such as lung disorders or chemical injury that can affect the immune system are particularly vulnerable. This means that anyone who is suffering injuries to the lungs or have chemical injury would need to get additional guidance and help from the medical professionals to reduced what is otherwise an increased risk. Those who take steroids or immuno suppressants need to obtain additional advice as well as we need all the biological capacity to the immune to this new virus.

For those claimants who are receiving significant home help the question arises as to whether or not ACC will provide the additional home help to assist those claimants survive this virus. In the event that we have a runaway virus of which is not controlled by extraordinary measures and also considering the likelihood of a nationwide shutdown and general quarantine rules being applied, will the ACC home help people still help those who are injured???
Will ACC those who are injured and on home help stockpile all manner of daily needed items in time in the event that home help providers fail, perhaps through getting the virus themselves or a general shutdown of New Zealand?



Question time:
If an employer is aware that one of the staff is infectious withCOVID-19 have they committed a crime against any staff members that subsequently become infected from that infected colleague? In other words is an employer obliged to Remove the infected staff member from the workplace.
If an employer fails to maintain the safety of the work environment and insist that everyone continues at work thus placing everyone at risk would be correct to have a legitimate expectation that anyone becoming infected from that work environment would be entitled to ACC? I ask this because this takes it out of an ordinary sickness situation rather escalates the issues into working in a dangerous environment.
Are we going to raise the level of helping one another without actually being an personal contact. For example are we going to take more meaningful use of the site and eradicate anybody who comes onto the site for the purposes of being a troll?
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Posted 02 March 2020 - 12:56 PM

It is important that we all become very aware. The following is some suggested material. Perhaps others should also make useful contributions.


Statistical information

https://covid19info.live/
https://andology.com...prediction-tool
https://gisanddata.m...423467b48e9ecf6


Professional International teaching clinician
John Campbell has produced a series of daily reports summarising the official medical information from the proper sources (not politicians) the information and the style of delivery is very easy to understand which also includes the explanation of various medical terminology for those of us who are not medical professionals.

https://www.youtube....teaching/videos
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Posted 02 March 2020 - 06:02 PM

Will ACC home help providers be schooled up with the required additional training so as to not bring the Covid 19 virus into our home?


Will they be trained how to keep our homes suitably clean and free from this additional risk?
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Posted 02 March 2020 - 06:10 PM




Global isolation and containment

The basics from John Campbell

https://www.youtube....h?v=cJRJ7qc6Af8

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Posted 02 March 2020 - 06:20 PM

A young and otherwise healthy man in Thailand is the first death in that country as a result from the corona 19 virus. The medical experts have identified that he seems to have succumbed to this virus as his immune system was already undermined by the ongoing compromising effects of formally contracting dengue fever. As we know that this is not a very serious condition yet it is enough to tip the balance to the extent that life Is forfeited to this disease.
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Posted 03 March 2020 - 11:41 AM

The highest risk of death with the covert 19 virus is men over 70 who smoke. They of course are not covered under the ACC scheme.

Those of us who have suffered multiple organ damage including lungs are also highly vulnerable but are covered by the ACC scheme with the expectation that we should receive an increased level of independence for living, social rehabilitation and suchlike so as we can live as normal a life as possible.
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Posted 03 March 2020 - 07:02 PM

Report of the WHO-China Joint Mission on Corona virus Disease 2019 (COVID-19)

The signs, symptoms, disease progression and severity


Symptoms of COVID-19 are non-specific and the disease presentation can range from no symptoms (asymptomatic) to severe pneumonia and death. As of 20 February 2020 and 12based on 55924 laboratory confirmed cases, typical signs and symptoms include:fever (87.9%), dry cough (67.7%), fatigue (38.1%), sputum production (33.4%), shortness of breath (18.6%), sore throat (13.9%), headache (13.6%), myalgiaor arthralgia (14.8%), chills(11.4%), nausea or vomiting (5.0%), nasal congestion (4.8%), diarrhea (3.7%), and hemoptysis (0.9%), and conjunctival congestion (0.8%).

People with COVID-19 generally develop signs and symptoms,including mild respiratory symptoms and fever, on an average of 5-6 days after infection (mean incubation period 5-6 days, range 1-14 days).


Most people infected with COVID-19 virus have mild disease and recover. Approximately 80% of laboratory confirmed patients have had mild to moderate disease, which includes non-pneumonia and pneumonia cases, 13.8% have severe disease (dyspnea, respiratory frequency ≥30/minute, blood oxygen saturation≤93%, PaO2/FiO2 ratio <300, and/or lung infiltrates >50% of the lung field within 24-48 hours) and 6.1% are critical (respiratory failure, septic shock, and/or multiple organ dysfunction/failure). Asymptomatic infection has been reported, but the majority of the relatively rare cases who are asymptomatic on the date of identification/report went on to develop disease. The proportion of truly asymptomatic infections is unclear but appears to be relatively rare and does not appear to be a major driver of transmission.


Individuals at highest risk for severe disease and death include people aged over 60 years and those with underlying conditions such as hypertension, diabetes, cardiovascular disease, chronic respiratory disease and cancer. Disease in children appears to be relatively rare and mild with approximately 2.4% of the total reported cases reported amongst individuals aged under 19 years. Avery small proportion of those aged under 19 years have developed severe (2.5%) or critical disease (0.2%).

the full WHO report
https://www.who.int/...inal-report.pdf
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Posted 03 March 2020 - 10:13 PM

BBC
World in 'uncharted territory

https://www.youtube....h?v=fnrpUGOxTaw

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Posted 04 March 2020 - 08:12 AM


Hand washing, so important


https://www.youtube....h?v=1AGW3bbcb3Y

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Posted 04 March 2020 - 08:33 AM


Protect self and family

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Posted 04 March 2020 - 09:45 AM

New Zealand Hospital bed density


Do we have enough beds?
2.8 beds/1,000 population (2013)


Definition: This entry provides the number of hospital beds per 1,000 people; it serves as a general measure of inpatient service availability. Hospital beds include inpatient beds available in public, private, general, and specialized hospitals and rehabilitation centers. In most cases, beds for both acute and chronic care are included. Because the level of inpatient services required for individual countries depends on several factors - such as demographic issues and the burden of disease - there is no global target for the number of hospital beds per country. So, while 2 beds per 1,000 in one country may be sufficient, 2 beds per 1,000 in another may be woefully inadequate because of the number of people hospitalized by disease.

https://www.indexmun...spx?c=nz&v=2227



Throughout the world we are seeing that the primary cause of death is a lack of medical care of those who are suffering from covid-19 virus and subsequent other ailments such as pneumonia. For example a very large portion of those who suffer complications are going to be needing a hospital bed and oxygen together with medical supervision during their treatment/recovery phase. As New Zealand is a first world country we have a high standard of medical treatment where recovery is relatively efficient with the results being that two or three beds per thousand could be argued as adequate in normal situations. What is coming up is not normal. The number of beds currently in New Zealand is woefully inadequate even if we were to empty out the hospitals of all they are currently treating. China build new hospitals and increased the number of hospital beds dramatically given the most urgency of the situation at a time when they only had less than 100 suffering from covid-19 virus. How is New Zealand going to address this problem? Is New Zealand going to be able to build a large number of hospitals and provide the necessary hospital beds?


it is a given that the majority of New Zealanders are going to be infected with covid-19 over a period of at least six months and perhaps up to 12 months. Let's be conservative and say that only 60% are infected 4.5 million at 60% is 2.7 million. in some of these other countries the serious ratio would be about 20% so let's say only 10% of those infected are serious in New Zealand. That gives us 170,000. If we disregard the Exponential curve infection rate and then looked optimistically that infection rate will be slower than usual and say that the 170,000were spread out over 12 months that would indicate the need for critical care medical beds to be over 14,000 with the relevant medical supplies, treatment providers and such like throughout that time. Let's not forget to subtract the number of medical treatment providers from this number who fall victim to this disease. Being more realistic of course the numbers needing critical care will peak probably around 6-8 months time so let's be careful to modify our need for medical care by 3 for two or three months thus demonstrating a need for over 40,000 hospital beds.those of course you are merely sick with covid-19 again to have to fend for themselves with those lucky enough to have some kind of assistance from ACC home help or family and friends who are willing to place themselves in harms way.

Is the New Zealand government and health authorities informing New Zealanders of the numbers that have been demonstrated by the world leading medical experts along with the evidence coming out of places like China, Italy, Iran, South Korea, Japan, ocean liners and such like. it is appropriate that we face this pandemic armed with the relevant proven information along with experts best assessments of our predicament. It is not the time for optimistic rhetoric motivated by financial matters as we see by the majority of governments throughout the world.


Without doubt New Zealand will enjoy the best outcome if it acts decisively right now in a proactive based decision-making process rather than the current reactive manner we are seeing.
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Posted 05 March 2020 - 08:47 AM


COVID-19 Immunity and social distancing

https://www.youtube....h?v=FN6S7jrAb8Q

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Posted 05 March 2020 - 01:03 PM

Māori tribe restricts hongi greeting over corona virus

Third case of Covid-19 confirmed in New Zealand as iwi issues temporary ban on custom of pressing noses together

A Māori tribe in New Zealand’s capital city has banned the traditional hongi at gatherings this week as more cases of coronavirus emerge.

On Wednesday night a third case was confirmed and the ministry of health asked for calm after sufferers and their families were criticised on social media.

In Wellington, local iwi (tribe) said a temporary ban would be placed on hongi between members at gatherings this week. A hongi is a traditional form of greeting in which two people press their noses to each other and inhale one another’s breath.


Te Rūnanga o Te Atiawa chairman Kura Moeahu said other tribes around the country were also grappling with whether to continue using hongi and he had been “inundated” with calls from government agencies seeking cultural advice.

“It’s not a ban – the word taupāruru is to actually confine or restrict movement in a certain place … it’s common sense about when coming into contact with people really,” Moeahu told RNZ.

“That’s not stopping people from doing what they want to do if they choose to do that but from a tikanga [correct] Māori perspective it’s the right thing to do.”

The ministry of health said it had placed no restrictions on hongi and was leaving it up to iwi to make their own decisions around the issue.

The deputy director general of Māori Health, John Whaanga, said similar concerns were raised about hongi during the Sars outbreak and his office had issued no directives then either.




Meanwhile, the Auckland Regional Public Health Service (ARPHS) has called for “calm and restraint” after members one of the New Zealand families affected by the illness were subjected to online abuse. The ARPHS director Dr William Rainger said the family had done everything right and minimised their risk to others by self-isolating at home.

“The woman with the virus has gone straight into isolation with her family when she was told she was suspected of having Covid-19,” Rainger said. “Yet they have become the focus of sustained and abusive bullying on social media and are being hounded by the media.”

“There is a high level of anxiety and concern in the school and wider communities, but it is not acceptable to attack people who have been caught up in this global outbreak. They have taken all the right actions to protect others.”

Rainger said health authorities had genuine concerns that such behaviour could lead people to hide any illness that might be Covid-19 and not seek medical attention. “We will not be able to contain this spread of this illness if the public response is so hostile towards cases and their families,” Rainger said.

The director general of health, Dr Ashley Bloomfield, said the ministry of health was urging New Zealanders to show those infected with the illness “support and understanding. Our task is to ensure they have all the support and health care they need,” Bloomfield said.

On Thursday, Air New Zealand said three cabin crew had been stood down from duties and gone into self-isolation after coming into contact with an infected passenger.
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Posted 06 March 2020 - 08:23 AM

View PostAlan Thomas, on 03 March 2020 - 11:41 AM, said:

The highest risk of death with the covert 19 virus is men over 70 who smoke. They of course are not covered under the ACC scheme.

Those of us who have suffered multiple organ damage including lungs are also highly vulnerable but are covered by the ACC scheme with the expectation that we should receive an increased level of independence for living, social rehabilitation and suchlike so as we can live as normal a life as possible.

By us I take it you mean yourself.
Rather a selfish attitude there.
Why do you expect more assistance as to covert 19 virus than any other citizen of NZ. ?
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Posted 06 March 2020 - 10:58 AM

View PostAlan Thomas, on 03 March 2020 - 11:41 AM, said:

The highest risk of death with the covid 19 virus is men over 70 who smoke. They of course are not covered under the ACC scheme.

Those of us who have suffered multiple organ damage including lungs are also highly vulnerable but are covered by the ACC scheme with the expectation that we should receive an increased level of independence for living, social rehabilitation and suchlike so as we can live as normal a life as possible.


Clarification has been sought regarding the above post.
The world health organisation,WHO, and the most experienced nation who has collected the most meaningful figures has confirmed that heavy smokers of the older age group are many more times likely to die from this virus.


This thread is more concerned with those of us who are injured as injured ACC claimants form the majority of the membership of the site.
As this virus predominantly attacks the lungs anyone who has entered lungs is of course more vulnerable. The degree of vulnerability is dependent upon the nature of the injuries.
ACC does not cover smoking per se but it is fair to say that if a smoker also has injured lungs from an accident event or gradual process injury acquired from the workplace then they too would be entitled to ACC along with non-smokers. The ACC legislation does not permit the ACC to obtain a discount of their liability from smokers. This means that if a smoker was chemical injury damage to the lungs also acquires the covid 19 virus also from their working environment and is in need of extra care they will receive the same entitlements as prescribed by the ACC legislation as a non-smoker.


ACC may very well argue that a smoker is responsible for their increased level of vulnerability as smoking is a form of self mutilation or self harm. In addition ACC may also argue that the covid 19 virus could have been acquired while not at work and therefore I have no liability. self-inflicted injuries are not covered by the ACC legislation. The ACCs position on injuries from smoking has been made quite clear and settled in law. In this regard smokers in New Zealand are second-class citizens. This is further clarified by the fact that smokers are not permitted to inflict their activities on others and are therefore quarantined from a large number of public environments.


In addition I might add that smokers are not welcome in my home is even their clothing wreaking from nicotine causes a reaction in relation to my injured condition.
A claimant who has a pre-existing lung injury make them additionally vulnerable would of course be entitled as there is a causal link that makes the ACC responsible for the additional costs as a result of the injury.


I trust this clarifies your confusion David
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Posted 06 March 2020 - 11:11 AM

How safe is it to fly on a modern international airline?
https://www.youtube....h?v=VRkufyTL7gk

In order to make decisions we need to understand the implications of our decisions. A classical example of this principle would be deciding whether or not to share an environment with a very large number of people in circumstances where one or more of them might be suffering from the Covid19. You may have noticed that our medical authorities have considered that we are vulnerable only from those in our immediate vicinity such as the seats alongside us, front and behind without regard for the airborne nature of this disease and as much as it is capable of floating about on the atmosphere for considerable distances. Scary stuff to be considering unless it is clearly understood.

When we hear ourgovernment officials and others that are responsible for giving us the correct advice we must be able to distinguish between economic interests as opposed to our personal health. For example if this pandemic was spread about by one person infecting anybody within an international airliner then for lawsuits brought against the governmental advisors, claims against insurance companies, companies employing individuals to travel these airlines and such like would be exposed to such a high risk that the economic fallout would be catastrophic and arguably worse than the pandemic itself. This not forget this pandemic would be capable of grounding all airlines throughout the world.

The thread I have posted is from someone I know to be extremely trustworthy and competent in such matters to the extent that I would recommend that we trust what he says.

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Posted 06 March 2020 - 11:15 AM

Critical information.


The virus has mutated into a more virulent strain than spreading the world at this moment. This is shown up in America were an individual has been infected by both strains. It is possible to 1st suffer from the first strain and then get reinfected by the second strain while still recovering and weak from the first one. This discovery is making what is now a category of viruses, Covid 19, lastly more lethal than we previously imagined.
Let's hope that the Chinese keep on doing what they are currently doing as they hold within their grasp the means to save the world.



COVID-19 Mutation and Evolution

https://www.youtube....h?v=FYPZHA-UjUY
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Posted 06 March 2020 - 11:22 AM

WHO have announced that they believe the expected death rate from this virus is now 3.4% throughout the world rather than 1% of which when it was thought to be that low this simply wasn't enough information to form such an opinion.

There is no immunity to the Covid 19 virus

There is no treatment protocol nor cure available at this time and it is more probably than not that there will be no immunisation medications available until sometime next year.

This means that the only form of protection against those of us who are vulnerable is to quarantine ourselves from the entire population given the fact that those who carry and spread this disease will have no symptoms for up to 2 weeks. That means that home help and suchlike is going to be problematic in as much as to protect us those individuals will need to Suit up in the appropriate attire. Full suit, masks and such like.

We must treat everybody as if they are a walking time bomb.
Those of us who have entitlement under the ACC legislation should ensure that we receive those entitlements so as not to burden the taxpayer funded health system thus depriving others from treatment as to do so would be extraordinarily selfish.

https://www.youtube....h?v=9HpU_x9OgQ4

at this point I remind everyone that we should be thinking of how we may be helping one another get through convid19 as it hits New Zealand in the knowledge that there is absolutely nothing we can really do to stop it.

All we can do is isolate ourselves in order to starve out this virus by offering no hosts to this monster. We should be using all of our own resources and encouraging the government to engage the various medical experts and up their game in our border controls.


Any suggestions people?
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Posted 06 March 2020 - 11:39 AM

View PostAlan Thomas, on 06 March 2020 - 10:58 AM, said:

Clarification has been sought regarding the above post.
The world health organisation,WHO, and the most experienced nation who has collected the most meaningful figures has confirmed that heavy smokers of the older age group are many more times likely to die from this virus.


This thread is more concerned with those of us who are injured as injured ACC claimants form the majority of the membership of the site.
As this virus predominantly attacks the lungs anyone who has entered lungs is of course more vulnerable. The degree of vulnerability is dependent upon the nature of the injuries.
ACC does not cover smoking per se but it is fair to say that if a smoker also has injured lungs from an accident event or gradual process injury acquired from the workplace then they too would be entitled to ACC along with non-smokers. The ACC legislation does not permit the ACC to obtain a discount of their liability from smokers. This means that if a smoker was chemical injury damage to the lungs also acquires the covid 19 virus also from their working environment and is in need of extra care they will receive the same entitlements as prescribed by the ACC legislation as a non-smoker.


ACC may very well argue that a smoker is responsible for their increased level of vulnerability as smoking is a form of self mutilation or self harm. In addition ACC may also argue that the covid 19 virus could have been acquired while not at work and therefore I have no liability. self-inflicted injuries are not covered by the ACC legislation. The ACCs position on injuries from smoking has been made quite clear and settled in law. In this regard smokers in New Zealand are second-class citizens. This is further clarified by the fact that smokers are not permitted to inflict their activities on others and are therefore quarantined from a large number of public environments.


In addition I might add that smokers are not welcome in my home is even their clothing wreaking from nicotine causes a reaction in relation to my injured condition.
A claimant who has a pre-existing lung injury make them additionally vulnerable would of course be entitled as there is a causal link that makes the ACC responsible for the additional costs as a result of the injury.


I trust this clarifies your confusion David

No confusion at all THomas
Nothing at all to do with smoking nor for that mater the amount of mind bending health damaging drugs that you yourself consume.
You avoided the issue
You want more than others as to convirus because you CLAIM to be injured.
That’s what you stated.
You get the same as us all.


There’s no disqualification reduced to nil or lesser treatments for others than yourself.
All entitled to what is needed/available regardless of any acc related issues as you claim or for that matter any others issues anyone outside of your small world have to contend with.
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Posted 06 March 2020 - 11:49 AM

View PostHemi, on 06 March 2020 - 11:39 AM, said:

No confusion at all THomas
Nothing at all to do with smoking nor for that mater the amount of mind bending health damaging drugs that you yourself consume.
You avoided the issue
You want more than others as to convirus because you CLAIM to be injured.
That’s what you stated.
You get the same as us all.


There’s no disqualification reduced to nil or lesser treatments for others than yourself.
All entitled to what is needed/available regardless of any acc related issues as you claim or for that matter any others issues anyone outside of your small world have to contend with.


The ACC legislation provides full and comprehensive private medical treatment and home help in relation to their accepted injury claims.

Those who are not injured are only entitled to the very limited medical treatment provided by the Tax paid medical system.

Quite clearly the legislation has provided a Discriminatory health system distinguishing a difference between the injured and uninjured.

David it would be helpful if you would familiarise yourself with the legislation before you take up valuable space and time on the site.

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