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Posted 09 May 2017 - 01:41 PM

Hi Everyone, i was wanting to hear from people living overseas that have ACC. What entitlements are you able to receive as an adult.
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Posted 10 May 2017 - 02:21 AM

hello im a bit confused. i have not been on this site for sometime. i couldnt get straight answers out of acc. so i thought i would ask.
i am no way a troll and i am living abroad infact my daughter is having life saving medical treatment. so to be so vulger shocks me. i thought this sight was set up to help from peoples personal experiences.
i am now sorry i did.
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Posted 10 May 2017 - 02:48 AM

 Battleaxe, on 09 May 2017 - 02:39 PM, said:



"Blondebimbo", you really must think bona-fide forum members are stupid. Anyone can read on the internet what entitlements ACC claimants can receive if they are living overseas. Go do that and stop trying to make trouble here. http://www.acc.co.nz...i-get/WPC139015 You, in my honest and sincere opinion, are no more living overseas than I am, and, it is also patently obvious that you a "TrollWatch" member who is using one of their many monikers to bait bona-fide forum members into answering your question, with your apparent intention being to then sit back and watch the stalking, harassment, verbal abuse and writing of false and defamatory statements if they do.



hello reason i didnt answer is it was night time here so i was asleep. you are very angry thats sad this site used to be helpful and friendly. i dont think these members are stupid at all hence i asked quiet a basic question actually. we are abroad having special medical treatment to hopefully save the life of my daughter. i am no way a troll i didnt no that this site had gone so bad. how did it get this way. but i can tell you now i am not and if you had read any of my posts for a few years ago you would see who i am and that i have fault long and hard for my daughter who is my world. and why would you answer the question if you dont live abroad how would you no what you can receive and what you cant. yes we no that acc put things on there site but nobody knows really the truth.
this really sadens me.
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Posted 10 May 2017 - 08:28 AM

 blondebimbo, on 10 May 2017 - 02:48 AM, said:

hello reason i didnt answer is it was night time here so i was asleep. you are very angry thats sad this site used to be helpful and friendly. i dont think these members are stupid at all hence i asked quiet a basic question actually. we are abroad having special medical treatment to hopefully save the life of my daughter. i am no way a troll i didnt no that this site had gone so bad. how did it get this way. but i can tell you now i am not and if you had read any of my posts for a few years ago you would see who i am and that i have fault long and hard for my daughter who is my world. and why would you answer the question if you dont live abroad how would you no what you can receive and what you cant. yes we no that acc put things on there site but nobody knows really the truth.
this really sadens me.


Overseas entitlement issues are complex. It is possible to get some entitlements to a certain degree depending on the circumstances of the claim. Then there is Residency status to consider. If a claimant becomes non resident then the situation becomes even more difficult. I will break down what I understand to be the standard practice.

Cover: Available for a short time to cover short term overseas activity. Once the threshold is passed then non resident status applies. Cover ceases.

Treatment: ACC does not pay for treatment overseas.

Weekly Compensation: If person was an overseas earner and non tax resident then no weekly comp. If person is already on weekly comp and wants to move overseas then this can be done but ACC can still demand assessments and vocational rehab making this a not so practical outcome. If the claimant earns overseas while on weekly comp then ACC can abate the weekly comp based on the amount of those over seas earnings.

WPI: IA recipients will likely be able to ask for it but will certainly be required to assessed in NZ. If the IA is low then the airfare there and back in some cases will probably make it worthless. Once again practicality applies.

So in short it is possible in theory to get some entitlements based on circumstances but in practical terms for the most part it is not worth it. One area where it possibly would be is spouses or children receiving weekly comp for a partner / parent death.

Hope that helps.
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Posted 10 May 2017 - 10:16 AM

 Lupine, on 10 May 2017 - 08:28 AM, said:

Overseas entitlement issues are complex. It is possible to get some entitlements to a certain degree depending on the circumstances of the claim. Then there is Residency status to consider. If a claimant becomes non resident then the situation becomes even more difficult. I will break down what I understand to be the standard practice.

Cover: Available for a short time to cover short term overseas activity. Once the threshold is passed then non resident status applies. Cover ceases.

Treatment: ACC does not pay for treatment overseas.

Weekly Compensation: If person was an overseas earner and non tax resident then no weekly comp. If person is already on weekly comp and wants to move overseas then this can be done but ACC can still demand assessments and vocational rehab making this a not so practical outcome. If the claimant earns overseas while on weekly comp then ACC can abate the weekly comp based on the amount of those over seas earnings.

WPI: IA recipients will likely be able to ask for it but will certainly be required to assessed in NZ. If the IA is low then the airfare there and back in some cases will probably make it worthless. Once again practicality applies.

So in short it is possible in theory to get some entitlements based on circumstances but in practical terms for the most part it is not worth it. One area where it possibly would be is spouses or children receiving weekly comp for a partner / parent death.

Hope that helps.


Good summery Lupine

I would say to maybe assist that:

Weekly compensation ie 80% of your wage will depend on if you were working when you had your injury. If you weren't, then you can forget that income right now.

I/A I think Lupine has given a good account of this, but if you do not have stable and permanent injuries, assessed by an assessor, forget that. BUT you can have I/A overseas if you fit the criteria.

I don't know that other payments and entitlements fit your criteria when out of NZ, But have a good research yourself as has been written by others. I have looked quite deeply into it as was thinking of going where my family is overseas, to live, but changed my mind for the meantime as too much to do here before changing countries. So visits will have to do.

Good Luck with your research

let us know how you go

Mini
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Posted 10 May 2017 - 04:27 PM

View PostBattleaxe, on 10 May 2017 - 04:22 PM, said:


Odd how you spell "quite" as "quiet" ... just like Mini does. Now what are the chances of that happening where a handful of people are posting messages ... slim to none in my honest and genuine opinion.

I gave you helpful information, I trust you read it.

I still do not believe your story and make no apologies for this. I also do not believe that there are active members posting at this forum who are "living overseas that have ACC". Certainly all of those who have responded to your original post, including me, are resident in N.Z.

What makes me even more suspicious about you is why you didn't just call the ACC and ask them what entitlements your daughter can receive as an adult? They are the most logical and qualified people to approach and particularly given that it is glaringly obvious to anyone coming onto this forum that there is little chance of getting the factual and accurate advice on such a complex subject that you are so obviously seeking.


The ACC have Repetitively been invited to make postings on this site in order to be helpful. It seems they do not wish to be helpful.. It is my experience and the experience of many others that even when contacting the ACC directly they are not helpful. From the beginning of the ACC legislation there has been the inability to complain yet those complaints have fallen upon deaf ears resulting in the legislators determining the necessity for complaints to be included in the judicial system. More often than not complaints are based on the ACC not being helpful all forthcoming with important information necessary from gaining access to entitlements.

It always saddened me to find that those associated with the ACC find it necessary to offer excuses on behalf of the ACC or even attempt to reconfigure matters in an untruthful matter in order to enhance the ACC's reputation. Obviously telling lies for the purposes of improving the ACC Reputation only makes matters worse
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Posted 10 May 2017 - 04:32 PM

View Postblondebimbo, on 09 May 2017 - 01:41 PM, said:

Hi Everyone, i was wanting to hear from people living overseas that have ACC. What entitlements are you able to receive as an adult.
thanks


The best way of addressing this problem is to obtain a copy of the ACC legislation and carefully read it. It is in reasonably plain language and not difficult to understand. Just read each portion slowly and carefully and be careful also to relate other portions of the legislation in reference to the section you are studying so as to comprehend the interrelationship between one section and another. The ACC is not permitted under any circumstances to have what is frequently called "policy". The ACC are only permitted to administer the act, nothing more nothing less.

Simply ask the ACC the questions for the information you require an ordinary plain English. If you find that the answer deviates away from your question repeat the question and with greater clarity leaving no room for any wriggling or deception. If after three attempts to obtain the information you require without success submit a complaint. Ensure two separate the legislated criteria of the question and the private information as two separate issues. Do not accept the ACC making an invitation to submit an application on the basis that every situation is unique as the legislation is only one thing. Ensure that you have clarity of the criteria of legislation prior to applying the facts of the matter to that legislation. Avoid any emotive speech in your communications.
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