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Solvent Poisoning,and Occupational cancer, my story.

#21 User is offline   Brucey 

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Posted 05 May 2016 - 10:30 AM

I received conformation today that ACC are prepared to examine my claim, and that the claim is plausible due to the IARC research that has proven Trichloroethylene causes kidney cancer, and is present in car paint.
I have made contact with Dr Bill Glass, who has agreed to see me in his capacity as an Occupational Physician, and ACC have agreed to this, and will fund the costs.
Now the hard work begins, I now have to provide to Dr Glass a thorough and detailed work history going back to 1973.

For the benefit of the forum, in his letter John Monigatti The lead occupational health advisor for ACC also stated,

"Exposure to Arsenic, cadmium or printing processes have been classified as probable cause of renal cancer, based on limited evidence".
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#22 User is offline   Kewl 

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Posted 14 August 2016 - 12:47 PM

change focus. It is obvious the main stream medical arena wont treat the whole person, it is under the umbrella of psychologists and neuro psychiatrists.
thats until cancers set in then its toxic main stream medical " treatment".

a much better use of time is to research what alternative means there are to assist the body to strip the damaged cells and to promote the body to heal itself, then get as far away from acc as you can
as they are obviously toxic.
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Posted 14 August 2016 - 01:00 PM

View PostKewl, on 14 August 2016 - 12:47 PM, said:

change focus. It is obvious the main stream medical arena wont treat the whole person, it is under the umbrella of psychologists and neuro psychiatrists.
thats until cancers set in then its toxic main stream medical " treatment".

a much better use of time is to research what alternative means there are to assist the body to strip the damaged cells and to promote the body to heal itself, then get as far away from acc as you can
as they are obviously toxic.


True, but at the moment I suggest that we let everyone who comes in contact with these substances know of the dangers.

Back in my day we were very lax on safety. things are much better now, but I believe there should be a bold warning printed on paint containers.

Resene are now doing so voluntarily but I think it should be compulsory.

The message should be this product causes cancer. We do it on cigarette packaging.

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Posted 14 August 2016 - 01:02 PM

View PostBrucey, on 14 August 2016 - 01:00 PM, said:

True, but at the moment I suggest that we let everyone who comes in contact with these substances know of the dangers.

Back in my day we were very lax on safety. things are much better now, but I believe there should be a bold warning printed on paint containers.

Resene are now doing so voluntarily but I think it should be compulsory.

The message should be this product causes cancer. We do it on cigarette packaging.



ok try that, then quietly go around industries and ask the next generations what they know.........not a lot so all past efforts have amounted to
very little. Observe that despite warnings on product containers and (as is often the case) very small warning writing is not understood in the severity it should.
Also what about non-english speaking people not understanding the warning when they are focussed on getting their "job" done.

Focus on healing yourself first.
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Posted 31 August 2016 - 10:40 PM

['Not their victim'] writes lots of nasty things about people, as shown in her recent court case and just goes to show she is a NUTTER.

['Not their victim'] 's most recent court decision to stay BLUDGING off the ACC scheme states; (Relevant facts)

[4] By way of preliminary issue, Mr Beck and Mr McBride agreed that all annotations on documents made by ['Not their victim'] should be removed from the evidence as filed. Counsel agreed that documents in the bundle for hearing would be replaced with an agreed bundle – Volume 2, which was received following the hearing on 22 December 2014. I have considered these documents in the appeal.:o/>:wacko:/>

[14] The Corporation referred Ms ['Not their victim'] to Dr Fenwicke for a VIMA in January 2008. She found Ms ['Not their victim'] fit for light sedentary work. Dr Fenwicke recorded Ms ['Not their victim'] commenced work on a part time basis building up to a 35 hour week. Dr Fenwicke noted Ms ['Not their victim'] had made some clinical improvement since the assessment in 2006. No other treatment, apart from being monitored by her GP, was recommended by Dr Fenwicke.

(That was 10 years ago !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

[15] Following Dr Fenwicke’s report, the Corporation determined Ms ['Not their victim'] was vocationally independent on 2 September 2008. That decision was quashed at review on 13 February 2009. :rolleyes:/> = BLUDGING

[16] On 5 August 2009 Dr Kanji, Musculoskeletal Pain Specialist noted that Ms ['Not their victim'] hit her forehead against a steel bar in January 2009. As a result, Ms ['Not their victim'] experienced difficulties with memory, headaches, neck and thoracic pain. Dr Kanji considered the headaches were likely to be linked to pain from the facet joints due to the fusion and disc changes. He prescribed pain medication for chronic pain.

[48] ['Not their victim'] underwent a Vocational Independence Occupational Assessment (VIOA) undertaken by Mr Roux who identified 19 job types that would match ['Not their victim']'s skills, experience and training, and for which there were no vocational barriers.

[67] The VIMA was then undertaken by Dr Christian on 2 February 2011. Dr Christian concluded 15 jobs were suitable for ['Not their victim'] for 30 hours or more per week.

These are truly only part of her team of physicians to get her brain working well enough to get her back to being a productive member of society however she has got so use to bludging she gets headaches,,. when she hears the word "WORK",

Dr Walsh, Psychiatrist

Dr Hudson,

Dr Hunn, Neurosurgeon

Dr Baker, Neurologist

All I can conclude/summarise with is,, get a job NTV and stop the HARD mind-set of being a BLUDGER !
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Posted 04 January 2017 - 04:28 PM

View PostBrucey, on 16 April 2016 - 04:29 PM, said:

Mid 1972 I left school and began work as an apprentice automotive spray painter.
The company I began working for was typical of those at that time in small town New Zealand, Three panel beaters two painters, in a back alley industrial part of town. The paint shop was a small low ceiling four car shed, with a 24 inch extraction fan in the ceiling. And a spray booth large enough to just accommodate one car, with a larger fan at the far end.

It was the practice of the company at that time to do all rubbing down wet with mineral turpentine, initial preparation and between coats. No gloves were worn, I can remember my hands being covered in turps for hours at a time, almost every day. I can recall my hands tingling and the skin being very dry, cracking open to produce exposed wounds, and the tips of the fingers being worn down and bleeding because of the sandpaper wearing them down.

The spray booth was used for enamel repaints mainly, due to the need for a dust free environment, Most of the nitrocellulose lacquer and the acrylic lacquer was applied in the workshop, or outdoors if it was fine. I can remember working in a haze most of the time, and wearing only a dust mask, or nothing at all. I can recall feeling intoxicated or high on fumes, and recall one time where I actually passed out.

Two years into my apprenticeship the tradesman who was in charge of me dropped dead in the end of the spray booth, I was never told the cause of death. I remember he was in his fifties and not of good health. I remember him saying to me once,
"what did you choose this job for, you never see old car painters".

It was in my fourth year I was introduced to two pot isocyanate based paint in the form of a Lusteroid product called Acrythane. I was required to paint new Taskmaster forklifts with this product, off site at the factory that built them, in a small shed with no fan and only a dust mask for protection. There was a door at each end of the building that were opened to create an airflow, I recall working in a haze, and a bitter taste in my mouth. I remember having many headaches and feeling poorly at times. Gloves were never worn, and any paint on the hands was washed off using lacquer thinner, repeatedly through the day.

This was all par for the course back in the day, and when I look back it was atrocious working conditions we were subjected to, with workers being very ignorant of the health risks, it was an environment where production and a fast turnover was paramount.

I have been in the industry off and on since then, spending about twenty two years in all in the trade. I have worked in some very good establishments, and I have worked in some very bad ones.
Over the years there have been vast improvements in employer attitudes and safety in the workplace, the dodgey paint shops of old that I spent a lot of time in, are all but gone now.
We have spray bake ovens, and prep stations with down draft extrusion, air fed breathing apparatus, vacuum sanding technology, ventilated mixing rooms, and everyone is required to wear gloves, and eye protection.

But the one message I have never heard is that SOLVENTS CAUSE CANCER.

Boxing day 2014 I was involved in a serious car v motor cycle accident, I was admitted to Christchurch Hospital with extensive injuries. As a matter of course I was given a full body CT scan, as well as my orthopaedic injuries they found a 7cm mass in the upper pole of my right kidney. It was found to be a Renal Cell Carcinoma, and my kidney was removed.
That was fourteen months ago.
Had the tumour not been found when it was, I would have died.

Over the past eight years I have been presenting to my GPs with symptoms relating to solvent exposure, but to date none of the medical people involved in my health care have ever made the connection. Even when I was diagnosed with cancer, no one made the link.
By chance a couple of weeks ago I heard a discussion on the radio with a man called Tony Gibson, who lost his son to Occupational Cancer, his son Jason was a painter. Since then I have been in touch with Tony, his wife Annette, and Jasons wife Sonia, who have been very helpful and supportive towards me.
Sonia has agreed to assist me bring a claim against ACC for Occupational cancer.

http://gloveup.co.nz/

I have decided to document my case going forward, and tell my story so that others might benefit from it. Maybe there are others out there in the same position as me, who are not well and don't understand why, maybe there are some that have past away.

If all the medical people in my life over the last year failed to make the link between my exposure to solvents and other carcinogens, and my cancer. Then clearly the message needs to get out there, and that message is,

SOLVENTS CAUSE CANCER.



Perhaps we could step aside from the argy-bargy of Internet etiquette and get back to the core subject matter.

You seem to have an accepted claim in relation to your high risk preinjury work task activity relied upon for your earnings.

You speak of a two part urethane based material known as Acrythane.
A clear colourless Aliphatic Polyisocyanate resin solution used as the hardener component for High Solids Acrythane.

As isocyanate is known to cause a DNA change it is of course quite capable of causing cancer. Obviously the solvents don't cause cancer but will certainly make you more susceptible as the medical journals have described. The solvents combined with isocyanate mean that the isocyanate may ride in on the solvent in much the same way as when someone drinks a lot of alcohol all manner of different other chemistry will ride in on the alcohol whereby there is a multiplying effect.

Solvents are on their own certainly do create a supersensitive type situation however I can understand the difficulty the medical profession will have trying to make a direct link between solvents and cancer.You say that you have been presenting to various medical professionals as if there is a relationship between the solvents and cancer but you have not acted describe what they connection is. You say that despite being diagnosed as cancer no one has made the link will stop of course I've got to ask why. Why?

Could you please describe the actual connection so as others may benefit from your posting in the manner that is most desirable within this forum which will obviously not only help others that may be suffering the same way as you but you might find that others may find out information that could be shared with you as well so as there is a mutual help situation, the purpose of the site.

You indicate that a Advocates well known to the site has agreed to take on your case but despite that you have not yet indicated any kind of connection from which the legislation would permit the ACC to accept the claim. If the medical profession does not make the connection, how are you expecting the ACC to make the connection as the ACC are not permitted to accept the claim and less there is a medical connection confirmed by a New Zealand registered doctor?

It may be helpful for you to know that I do have an accepted claim for cover in relation to both isocyanates and a variety of other solvents that are commonly used in relation to these types of products. my case may be a little it more obvious than yours in as much as the Isocyanate was not in a deluded paint form and when cleaning very powerful solvents were used when cleaning out the second biggest machine in New Zealand in much the same conditions as the very worst that you had worked in. I would very much like to know which particular solvent you are concerned about that is known to be carcinogenic. For example acetone is quite often used but even our own human bodies produce acetone and as such acetone is not likely to be carcinogenic. Most alcohols likewise are not likely to be responsible for cancer as likewise alcohol is naturally occurring within our own bodies. There are not many solvents that are capable of addressing these two pipe isocyanate-based painting systems. For example you may have been using methylene chloride which of course would have a huge multiplying effect of the isocyanate as far as the effect on your body with the isocyanate being the responsible ingredient that causes cancer.


So in summary have you got a medical professional in New Zealand to write a medical report or claim that establishes a direct relationship between a named solvent and your cancer? How is the Dr Glass connection going, any progress there?
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Posted 04 January 2017 - 10:41 PM

View PostBrucey, on 04 January 2017 - 09:39 PM, said:

I am no longer interested in detailing my claim on this troll ridden website, my claim for chronic solvent neurotoxicity, and renal cancer from trichloroethylene exposure is progressing well.






The expertise of my medical advisers Which may be extended to yourself in relation to the same chemistry still stands should you choose to benefit from the relationship between facts and entitlement
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