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#61 User is offline   tommy 

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Posted 08 February 2015 - 04:09 PM

and it does not stop there
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Posted 08 February 2015 - 04:56 PM

Well id rather risk 3k or more to fight the case if you have a good case rather than lose 40k of erc each year.
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Posted 09 February 2015 - 04:53 PM

got to raise 3k tho ,and if if as a person with no ability to raise the monies whom is going to obligate
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Posted 09 February 2015 - 04:57 PM

asi where the corporation knows this fact
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Posted 10 February 2015 - 07:47 AM

 tommy, on 09 February 2015 - 04:53 PM, said:

got to raise 3k tho ,and if if as a person with no ability to raise the monies whom is going to obligate

Maybe Legal aid!!!
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Posted 10 February 2015 - 07:52 AM

 greg, on 03 February 2015 - 02:55 PM, said:

What is the total potential earnings you will receive until 65 years if
this Lawyer wins you case. Also factor in ACC. will re-attack you , approx. every 2 years
and add this into any future earnings against present legal costs.


ACC never reattacked me once after they had made decisions that I was entitled to w/c.

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Posted 10 February 2015 - 08:10 AM

 Redsector, on 08 February 2015 - 03:03 PM, said:

S.O.S.D.D .....just google it Mini.

Sorry to hear of your hassles BVO, might be best to just let it go and get on with life, something a lot on here have trouble doing.
The stress and worry can drag you down and make ACC way too big a part of your life.


If I googled every thing I wanted to know and got the right answer, then you could say there was no lies in the LF bits on google under my name.

I have no intention of googling the initials. My theory being that if the writer wanted me to know what they were talking about to get quality assistance they would have written it out in full. So they may have just missed out thru being lazy, or maybe over active with the language!!

With a new injury I have all my spare time going on my own stuff. So the first thing I would stop is helping others, before I was to give up my own. I consider $60,000 is worth fighting for till the end of my days. Getting used to it by now after having had to go to court for everything I was entitled. I can say I was entitled as I have got it now, through fighting for my life, and just have a few leftovers to get.

You a new member. Why have you come on here to tell people not to bother fighting for their rights. Is it because some cannot do it right, and miss out~~ Well that happens to all of us some of the time, but not usually all of us all of the time.

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Posted 10 February 2015 - 08:12 AM

 Huggy, on 08 February 2015 - 04:56 PM, said:

Well id rather risk 3k or more to fight the case if you have a good case rather than lose 40k of erc each year.


Well said Huggy. Somethings are just too great to turn ones back on.

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Posted 10 February 2015 - 01:19 PM

legal aid doesn't cover reviews, the lawyer said he will give advice if I decide to go for a review.
s.o.s.d.d. means same old shit different day (mini)
all your advice is great but I don't handle stress very well and acc are very stress full to deal with.
even tho the $1000 a week pay check has been great im prepared for the sudden decrease in payments when I go on invalids benefit.
I could of probly afforded 3k but it didn't include gestapo tax or disbursements, so 3k turns to 4-5k that's a lot to lose
if I don't win and he said he could claim only $700 back off acc.
I have been screwed by advocates cause they more in acc pocket screwed by lawyers wanting to fleece as much as they can and screwed by acc who are supposed to help, screwed by my doctor.
so what else can I say
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Posted 25 February 2015 - 08:32 AM

does anyone no kevin james advocate
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Posted 25 February 2015 - 08:58 AM

 BARON VON OIL, on 25 February 2015 - 08:32 AM, said:

does anyone no kevin james advocate


I do not know Kevin James, never heard of him. What area are you in.

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Posted 26 February 2015 - 05:31 PM

DISCUSSION AND OPINION

Mr Mark Sunley suffers with an ongoing pain condition of his neck.

Whether this is a condition of itself constituting a chronic pain

syndrome, or whether it is a part of the problem he has with the major

tremor is difficult to untangle but regardless he has ongoing pain.

He is believable and appears genuine in suffering the pain, and this

would make it likely that work requiring significant heavy loading, or

requiring him to be driving persistently and therefore exposed to

added vibration (over and above that which is inherent from his

existing tremor anyway) would cause increased pain potentially to

levels obstructing work functioning.

It is this pain that bears consideration. Pain medications taken also do

constitute some difficulty in looking at responsible driving positions.

Outside of medication side effects one would not expect fatigue to

cause substantial limitation. His mood has been a chronic problem

and could present difficulties for him again but this would not be seen

as injury related.

The work options presented were the same apart from a change to

make the road traffic controller job sheet specific to the role away

from road maintenance labouring. He was phoned and gave his

response to that option over the phone.



WORK CAPACITY

Mr Mark Sunley has the physical capability to work for 30 hours or

more per week as:

399599 Performing Arts Technician. The physical demand can be up to

heavy. Standing and walking about locations is frequently required.

Stretching up and across may be required on an occasional to frequent

basis. Bending, squatting, crouching or kneeling may be required.

Lifting, carrying and holding is likely to occur on a frequent basis but

will be unlikely to exceed medium physical demand. This option is not

persistently heavy. One would not anticipate major issues for him in

performance of this relating to pain from the neck. It represents an

area that he would manage the work physically and in which pain

would not be substantially aggravated.

He indicates there is no call for this. He only helped in the

theatre a few times.

442217 Security Officer. This is light to occasionally heavy physically

demanding work. Employees frequently sit, regularly walk, stand and

run. They may occasionally have to stretch and reach. Squatting,

crouching, or contact with skin irritants or water, are not significant

components of the work. Twisting the body or neck, is likely if

apprehending or confronting offenders. Bending may be required.

Heavy lifting, pulling or carrying may be required on an occasional

basis. Repetitive movements are not necessary, unless doing data

entry via a computer. One may need to drive occasionally to

frequently. Employees use a range of electronic communication and

basic security equipment. Mental activities are indicated to be

required. He would be able to perform the activities noted. The work



is not persistently heavy and the neck would not prevent him from

completing it. Pain could present on occasions but would not prevent

the work.

He indicates if he was on a gate on his feet all the time -- no.

841517 Wool Handler (Shearing Hand). This is a light to medium

position with occasional heavy physical demand levels. Constantly

stands and moves beside shearers or near the sorting tables.

Stretches and uses arms to reach out and down to pick up and throw

fleeces. Bends frequently when picking up fleeces. Frequently twists

the body and neck. Contact with skin irritants occurs through sheep

wool. Repetitive hand and arm movements are required on a frequent

basis. The work is not overly heavy and has no inherent reason why

the neck would prevent him from performing the duties required. Pain

might well present as it normally does but should not be significantly

altered by the work described.

He indicates no. He doesn’t think he would do this as there is

no call for this now. It is all dairy on the coast.

532113 Word Processing Operator- This is a sedentary role involving

constant sitting at a workstation with occasional standing and walking

about the office. Repetitive arm hand and finger movements are

constant. Lifting and carrying, bending, squatting or crouching are not

significant components of the work. One must have good

communication, records and have organisational skills. The work is not

heavy at all. With correct positioning it should not strain on his neck

and would not be restricted by pain.

He indicates no.



532111 Data Entry Operator. This is a sedentary role involving

constant sitting at a workstation with occasional standing and walking

about the office. Repetitive arm hand and finger movements are

constant. The work is not heavy at all. With correct positioning it

should not strain on his neck and would not be restricted by pain.

He indicates no.

332211 Painter Trades Worker. This is of a light to medium physical

demand. Standing and walking is frequently required. Stretching up

and across is frequently required. Lifting and carrying of painting

materials and equipment are frequently required. Repetitive

movements are constant. Driving is frequently required. This is light

to medium work that should be tolerated. He does have reasonable

range of movement exhibited previously and this activity should not

significantly aggravate pain. This is not to say that pain would not

present but it should not prevent him from completing duties. The

tremor could impede effectiveness but is not injury-caused.

He indicates no.

899999 Road Maintenance Traffic Controller. This is up to light to

medium physical demand work. One constantly stands, walks and

moves about the worksite. One does not usually sit unless riding in a

vehicle. Lifting, carrying, or pulling is necessary but of a light to

medium loading. This is light to medium work that would not be

intense upon his back. It would be managed and pain although it

might present would not prevent work completion.

He indicates no he does not think so.




ACC AND THERE ASSESSORS ARE FUCKING IDIOTS I HAVE NO EXPERINCE IN ANY OF THESE RECOMMENDED JOBS LET ALONE DONE ANY,,, FUCKING MORONS
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Posted 26 February 2015 - 06:24 PM

 BARON VON OIL, on 26 February 2015 - 05:31 PM, said:

DISCUSSION AND OPINION

Mr Mark Sunley suffers with an ongoing pain condition of his neck.

Whether this is a condition of itself constituting a chronic pain

syndrome, or whether it is a part of the problem he has with the major

tremor is difficult to untangle but regardless he has ongoing pain.

He is believable and appears genuine in suffering the pain, and this

would make it likely that work requiring significant heavy loading, or

requiring him to be driving persistently and therefore exposed to

added vibration (over and above that which is inherent from his

existing tremor anyway) would cause increased pain potentially to

levels obstructing work functioning.

It is this pain that bears consideration. Pain medications taken also do

constitute some difficulty in looking at responsible driving positions.

Outside of medication side effects one would not expect fatigue to

cause substantial limitation. His mood has been a chronic problem

and could present difficulties for him again but this would not be seen

as injury related.

The work options presented were the same apart from a change to

make the road traffic controller job sheet specific to the role away

from road maintenance labouring. He was phoned and gave his

response to that option over the phone.



WORK CAPACITY

Mr Mark Sunley has the physical capability to work for 30 hours or

more per week as:

399599 Performing Arts Technician. The physical demand can be up to

heavy. Standing and walking about locations is frequently required.

Stretching up and across may be required on an occasional to frequent

basis. Bending, squatting, crouching or kneeling may be required.

Lifting, carrying and holding is likely to occur on a frequent basis but

will be unlikely to exceed medium physical demand. This option is not

persistently heavy. One would not anticipate major issues for him in

performance of this relating to pain from the neck. It represents an

area that he would manage the work physically and in which pain

would not be substantially aggravated.

He indicates there is no call for this. He only helped in the

theatre a few times.

442217 Security Officer. This is light to occasionally heavy physically

demanding work. Employees frequently sit, regularly walk, stand and

run. They may occasionally have to stretch and reach. Squatting,

crouching, or contact with skin irritants or water, are not significant

components of the work. Twisting the body or neck, is likely if

apprehending or confronting offenders. Bending may be required.

Heavy lifting, pulling or carrying may be required on an occasional

basis. Repetitive movements are not necessary, unless doing data

entry via a computer. One may need to drive occasionally to

frequently. Employees use a range of electronic communication and

basic security equipment. Mental activities are indicated to be

required. He would be able to perform the activities noted. The work



is not persistently heavy and the neck would not prevent him from

completing it. Pain could present on occasions but would not prevent

the work.

He indicates if he was on a gate on his feet all the time -- no.

841517 Wool Handler (Shearing Hand). This is a light to medium

position with occasional heavy physical demand levels. Constantly

stands and moves beside shearers or near the sorting tables.

Stretches and uses arms to reach out and down to pick up and throw

fleeces. Bends frequently when picking up fleeces. Frequently twists

the body and neck. Contact with skin irritants occurs through sheep

wool. Repetitive hand and arm movements are required on a frequent

basis. The work is not overly heavy and has no inherent reason why

the neck would prevent him from performing the duties required. Pain

might well present as it normally does but should not be significantly

altered by the work described.

He indicates no. He doesn’t think he would do this as there is

no call for this now. It is all dairy on the coast.

532113 Word Processing Operator- This is a sedentary role involving

constant sitting at a workstation with occasional standing and walking

about the office. Repetitive arm hand and finger movements are

constant. Lifting and carrying, bending, squatting or crouching are not

significant components of the work. One must have good

communication, records and have organisational skills. The work is not

heavy at all. With correct positioning it should not strain on his neck

and would not be restricted by pain.

He indicates no.



532111 Data Entry Operator. This is a sedentary role involving

constant sitting at a workstation with occasional standing and walking

about the office. Repetitive arm hand and finger movements are

constant. The work is not heavy at all. With correct positioning it

should not strain on his neck and would not be restricted by pain.

He indicates no.

332211 Painter Trades Worker. This is of a light to medium physical

demand. Standing and walking is frequently required. Stretching up

and across is frequently required. Lifting and carrying of painting

materials and equipment are frequently required. Repetitive

movements are constant. Driving is frequently required. This is light

to medium work that should be tolerated. He does have reasonable

range of movement exhibited previously and this activity should not

significantly aggravate pain. This is not to say that pain would not

present but it should not prevent him from completing duties. The

tremor could impede effectiveness but is not injury-caused.

He indicates no.

899999 Road Maintenance Traffic Controller. This is up to light to

medium physical demand work. One constantly stands, walks and

moves about the worksite. One does not usually sit unless riding in a

vehicle. Lifting, carrying, or pulling is necessary but of a light to

medium loading. This is light to medium work that would not be

intense upon his back. It would be managed and pain although it

might present would not prevent work completion.

He indicates no he does not think so.




ACC AND THERE ASSESSORS ARE FUCKING IDIOTS I HAVE NO EXPERINCE IN ANY OF THESE RECOMMENDED JOBS LET ALONE DONE ANY,,, FUCKING MORONS


who did this, was it at IOA or IMA stage?

Now is the time to write down all the reasoning why you think you cannot do these jobs.

No one can do it but you. Taking my advice on how to measure if you can do it or not as one way to put before the courts or review for your reasoning, will not be disregarded if you have a written document to show that those employing people for these position would not hire you and for what reasoning they would not hire.

Sometimes it is simply that you cannot work at the speed of turnover of didgets that they expect. The injury being the reason that you speed is affected. Even the pain for would cause lack of speed for repetition.

Go pull each one apart one by one. And don't forget to get your papers in for Review or whatever the first step is to their decision.

Good Luck

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Posted 01 March 2015 - 09:23 AM

 BARON VON OIL, on 01 March 2015 - 09:12 AM, said:

oh im going for a review with my gun in hand then we see what will happen


Well therefore I for one want nothing to do with you. You are threatening in your manner!! Someone may report this, you had best be careful. A few of us have gone to great lengths to allow you to make proper judgements and you have just blown it all!!!

Thanks for that!!

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Posted 01 March 2015 - 05:57 PM

 MINI, on 10 February 2015 - 08:10 AM, said:

If I googled every thing I wanted to know and got the right answer, then you could say there was no lies in the LF bits on google under my name.

I have no intention of googling the initials. My theory being that if the writer wanted me to know what they were talking about to get quality assistance they would have written it out in full. So they may have just missed out thru being lazy, or maybe over active with the language!!

You a new member. Why have you come on here to tell people not to bother fighting for their rights. Is it because some cannot do it right, and miss out~~ Well that happens to all of us some of the time, but not usually all of us all of the time.

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I was simply offering a suggestion to find an easy answer. If you had typed the 5 letters into google the answer would have been on the first page....a lot quicker than the several paragraphs you ended up writing.

As for my opinion regards ....thinking about "letting it go" for BVO (Mark)and to get on with life to avoid the stress of dealing with ACC, to much stress can be bad for health causing many issues. It appears BVO already is somewhat at an elevated stress state and perhaps spending 3K as Huggy suggested to possibly return 40K is good advice; I'm just offering a different opinion and at the end of the day it is up to BVO to decide.
I also think that ACC are very good at finding people vocationally independent in regards the usual "exit jobs".
My join date would suggest I'm not a new member.
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Posted 04 March 2015 - 09:42 AM

sorry mini but just a figure of speech, I have got acc to back down on 2 job recommendations as I showed them what qualifications are needed for the jobs,
also in the process of showing them the qualifications for word processing and data entry operator and asked them if they would be willing to pay
for these courses which I doubt I have also got to the new Zealand herald and my local paper to show people what acc are trying to do.
I am 52yrs old with the same injury as when I first went on acc, I have proof that they have given the wrong treatment due to receiving all my case notes.
I am sorry if any1 was offended but I don't handle stress very well, which they have given me plenty of.
also spoke to my doctor who said he be willing to put me on the invalids benefit cause he no's I wont be able to work again especially in their recommended jobs or going back to truck driving, acc needs a over haul. they are trying to play god.
my last day on acc is the 31st of may and if it wasn't for the $1000 a week pay check id have been off ages ago.as they are a big pain in the neck
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Posted 04 March 2015 - 02:18 PM

as you have demonstrated mr oil . you have to have a disciplined mind that works with logic as in confronting the corporation, and if not seeking that expertise else where, without costing the claimant a huge bill of money
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Posted 17 September 2015 - 02:44 PM

So what does S.O.S.D.D stand for?

 Redsector, on 08 February 2015 - 03:03 PM, said:

S.O.S.D.D .....just google it Mini.

Sorry to hear of your hassles BVO, might be best to just let it go and get on with life, something a lot on here have trouble doing.
The stress and worry can drag you down and make ACC way too big a part of your life.

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