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Posted 25 September 2014 - 02:04 PM

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Manu Pleads Guilty To Murdering ACC Officer

Friday, 27 August 1999, 9:50 am
Article: Selwyn Manning - Scoop Auckland

http://www.scoop.co....acc-officer.htm

A man with a long history of violent mental illness has pleaded guilty to murdering west Auckland ACC worker, Janet Pike.


Mrs Pike was stabbed in her ACC office after refusing to grant Johnny Manu a $350 payment.


Manu became agitated after Mrs Pike said he would need an assessment before any money could qualify for the payment.

Manu returned twice to the ACC office, then went to the Warehouse store, which was nearby, and bought a large cook’s knife. He then returned to the ACC office where Mrs Pike worked. Manu stabbed Mrs Pike to death.

Manu has a history of repeated violence going back some 20 years. In 1987 he stabbed a man in the chest at the door of his west Auckland home because he believed the man had upset a friend.

In 1994 he stabbed a bank teller in the hand after being refused a credit card.

Manu is a diagnosed a paranoid schizophrenic and has a history of frequent stays in psychiatric institutions. Lately however, he has been cared for through community mental health services.

Through his lawyer, Manu yesterday expressed remorse for killing Mrs Pike and now plans to write a letter to the Pike family apologising for the killing.

Steve Pike, the murdered woman’s husband, says that it is too late for apologies now. He says Manu destroyed his life, her mum’s life, and her sister’s life.

Manu will reappear for sentencing in three weeks.

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Posted 25 September 2014 - 02:06 PM

Study shows health system failures

Published: 8:46PM Friday August 31, 2001

http://tvnz.co.nz/co...26/article.html

The Mark Burton case, decided in court on Thursday, is another in a long list of crimes by patients that have been released to the community.

In the latest case, it was learnt that Mark Burton had been officially discharged from Southland's Mental Health Unit, just a day before he killed his mother.

In previous cases, an Auckland paranoid schizophrenic Lachlan Jones, murdered his flatmate Malcolm Beggs, in 1999. Schizophrenic Johnny Manu stabbed ACC worker Janet Pike while in community care and in 1997, Christchurch manic depressive Jason Mackrell raped and killed a 78-year-old woman.

That same year, paranoid schizophrenic Stephen Anderson shot dead six people at Raurimu, including his father.

Concerns about the release of patients

A new study by three mental health specialists, including the Ministry of Health's own Mental Health Director, raises concerns about the release of patients into the community.


The study examined 11 cases of violent crimes committed by people with serious mental illness, during a period of ten years. The report found five of these crimes could have been prevented and two could have been predicted, if not for serious flaws in the system.

"Most of the preventable incidents in our opinion, could have been prevented by having adequate systems in place and adequate systems of communication and adequate skill base, education and resources to do the job," said Dr David Chaplow, the Ministry of Health's Mental Health Director.

Despite this, Dr Chaplow still believes the current policy to release patients is the right one.

"About 90% of all patients are treated in the community - by their primary practitioner, their general practitioner, or by community mental health clinicians - and they remain in the community being safely treated," added Dr Chaplow.

Campaigner believes Ministry view is flawed

But health campaigner Patricia Perkins, whose own son is schizophrenic, says that view is flawed.

"No one's needs are being met and certainly not those who have the need of long-term care in order to ensure safety for all," said Perkins.

Reporters have learned there is a group of families who feel so frustrated by this issue, they have approached a Christchurch barrister with a view to take the government to court. They are also considering laying a claim of damages.

This they see as a means of acknowledging what they see as government failure to keep their loved ones - and the public -safe.
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Posted 25 September 2014 - 02:08 PM

Mental health gone crazy
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A mate of mine used to work closely with mentally ill people living rough on the streets of an inner city centre.

It was an unenviable task that exposed him to the bottomless depths humanity can sink too - a world of unreported bashings and rape; a daily cycle of substance abuse, cold, hunger, madness and ill health.

Many of the people my friend came to know had once lived in psychiatric institutions that were closed as a part of a thinly disguised government cost cutting exercise in and around the early 1990s.

Most had slipped through the gaping holes evident in the community based programmes set up as alternatives - free to make bad choices that inevitably left them, and innocent bystanders, dazed, degraded and sometimes dead.

My friend, like many of his colleagues, bemoaned the loss of facilities that once kept patients secure, properly medicated and out of harm's way.

Those same people, he said, could also be a menace to the rest of society if left long enough to slip into unpleasant psychotic episodes.

Like the old guy who slept under bridges and lived off the charity of fast food outlet operators based nearby.

Few people, if any, knew of the voices that his pills kept at bay - persistent whispers that, more than three decades prior, convinced him to decapitate a close relative and attempt to cook the head in an oven.

Who would have thought such a creature - so volatile through no real fault of his own - walked among them and their families?

Who could know what a thin line this tortured soul – and many others like him, tread each day and the danger their predicaments pose for each of us?

Both questions are, of course purely rhetorical.

Because we all know the answers to each.

Recent history repeatedly tells us that psychiatric patients are, for a variety of reasons, being left to their own devices too often with catastrophic results.

The death of good Samaritan Dean Andrew Clark, 36, in June may well be the latest.
He was killed shortly after offering a room in his Balmoral flat to a mental health patient who was apparently down on his luck.

The case is still before the courts but the accused is under lock and key in a psychiatric hospital awaiting his next hearing.

Late coroner Mate Frankovich did not mince his words back in 2000 when commenting on the axe murder of Henderson resident Malcolm Beggs by paranoid schizophrenic flatmate Lachlan Jones.

He said community care for the mentally ill had led to an increase in suicides and homicides.

The 1999 Beggs case was a classic example and a tragedy for both families given Jones, who’d recently discharged himself from a psychiatric unit against medical advice, also killed himself.

"I do not advocate a return to the draconian days where people with even a minor mental disorder found themselves spending the rest of their days in a mental institution,” Mr Frankovich said.

“Nevertheless the present swing to 'care in the community' has some distinct disadvantages, as has been evidenced by the number of suicides and homicides that have taken place."

He’d barely had time to draw fresh breath when former Oakley and Kingseat patient Johnny Manu stabbed AC worker Janet Pike to death in her office on Lincoln Rd in west Auckland.

Manu, now serving a life sentence, committed numerous acts of violence during 10 years of community care prior to his fateful meeting with Ms Pike. He claimed an earlier non-fatal stabbing was carried out on Satan’s instructions.

Strangely, at the time of his imprisonment, there was debate over whether he was indeed mad – or just downright bad.

None of this bodes well for any of us and a random walk or drive around any inner city – and even some of the outer suburban centres, quickly suggests there are still people out there capable of committing extreme acts of craziness.

The message, until our political masters have the good sense to reintroduce a safer and more secure system of mental health care is clear:

Watch your back.
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Posted 25 September 2014 - 02:13 PM


Manu result of reforms: Tamihere:
[2 Edition]
Waikato Times [Hamilton, New Zealand] 27 Aug 1999: 3.

Cracks in the mental health system which saw Johnny Manu on the street and off his medicine have been blamed on health reforms.

Community worker John Tamihere
-- a Labour candidate -- said Manu, who pleaded guilty yesterday to murdering ACC worker Janet Pike, was just one of many like him, walking the streets rather than being treated in institutions.

Mr Tamihere said the police were unfairly being left to deal with crimes committed by Manu and others.

Manu, a schizophrenic, was responsible for a string of horrific attacks on people since 1981. The last, on June 24, claimed the life of Mrs Pike, 33, following a dispute over a $350 payment.

Manu, 35, admitted the murder yesterday and is being held in the Mason Clinic until sentencing next month.

Mr Tamihere cited another case where a son is alleged to have killed his father with a tomahawk. The son was living with his parents because no community organisation was capable of caring for him.

In his previous role as chief executive of the Waipareira Trust, Mr Tamihere was asked earlier this year to try to find lodgings for Manu. A bed was found in South Auckland. However Mr Tamihere said the fragmentation of service provision meant Manu was being treated by several organisations, rather than being watched by one. -- NZPA

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Posted 25 September 2014 - 02:16 PM

Many mental time bombs ticking, says psychiatrist: [2 Edition]
Dominion [Wellington, New Zealand] 22 July 2000: 2.

UP TO 60 "mental health time bombs" like convicted murderer Johnny Manu can be found in Auckland, a top psychiatrist has said.

Manu, a diagnosed schizophrenic, stabbed ACC worker Janet Pike to death last year.

Manu fell between the cracks of the mental health and criminal justice systems despite a horrific history of violent public attacks.

A report, which follows a Mental Health Act inquiry, says Manu was just one of a number of time bombs in the community and recommended changes in the care of such people.

Regional forensic psychiatric services director David Chaplow
acknowledged the problem of people such as Manu being in the community and said Auckland alone had up to 60 such time bombs. The Mason clinic, which cares for such cases in Auckland, simply did not have enough beds, he said.

The inquiry panel found that the general attitude from mental health staff was that there was "little to achieve" by putting Manu in hospital at any time or detaining him under the Mental Health Act.

The report says: "There are a number of time bombs like Johnny Manu in the community. We can do little or nothing about many of them till they explode. We cannot and should not arrest and detain on suspicion and supposition."

The report does recommend some changes to care, particularly for better liaison between services and more information sharing.

This echoes a report issued two months ago into the killing of Malcolm Beggs by his mentally ill flatmate, Lachlan Jones. It found faults in information sharing.

"Landlord, flatmates, family members are not currently being involved as they should be in community placement of mental health consumers," the Manu report says. Privacy code guidelines were not giving a clear message to mental health workers as to what information could and could not be shared.

Manu, 36, stabbed Mrs Pike through the chest in her Henderson office after a dispute over $350. He pleaded guilty to murder and is serving a life sentence in Paremoremo prison.

His history of violence dated back to 1981. Gaps in his care were long-standing and partly caused by his tendency to move about.

At the time of the killing he was an outpatient of South Auckland Health, and was living at a boarding house called Charlhaven.

The house was not registered as a health agency, so transfer of information did not occur.

The inquiry panel, under district mental health inspector Phillip Recordon, said Manu's history should have been made available to his caregivers and family, whether he wanted it or not.

Communication was also lacking between the criminal and mental health systems, the report says.

"We recommend that there be closer interaction between Corrections and mental health services to ensure joint responsibility for people with mental health needs while they are in prison."

A Manu family spokesman pleaded yesterday for better psychiatric care, saying: "If something is wrong you don't just chuck people out into the community and say `fend for yourself'. "

The report calls for a "wrap-round" approach to care so information and funding for transient patients who are dealt with by several agencies are easily accessible on a central database.

The report, which also recommends more funding for 24-hour community health teams, will go to mental health director Janice Wilson, who can recommend policy changes. -- NZPA

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Posted 25 September 2014 - 02:18 PM

ACC PLEASED WITH GUILTY PLEA OVER STABBING

Radio New Zealand Newswire

ACC says its staff can now look to the future after a man pleaded guilty in court today to killing one of their workers.
Johnny Manu, aged 35, was charged with murdering Janet Pike at the ACC office where she worked in West Auckland.

He stabbed her in the chest with a large kitchen knife because he was angry ACC would not give him 350 dollars be believed he was owed.

Spokesperson for ACC, Craig Dowling, says Manu's guilty plea has come as a relief to many of the workers.

Manu will be sentenced at the high court next month.


•Time: 15:58
•Category: Crime •Region: Waikato •Date: Thu Aug 26 1999 •text/1999/aug/26/rnz160523.html
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Posted 25 September 2014 - 02:20 PM

ACT :MENTALLY ILL PRISONERS NEED THOROUGH FOLLOW UP

Radio New Zealand Newswire

The Schizophrenia Fellowship is astounded that the man convicted of murdering an ACC case worker, Janet Pike, wasn't in secure forensic care prior to the killing.

Johnny Manu was yesterday jailed for life, with a minimum non parole period of 12 and a half years.

Manu who is 35 has had schizophrenia since he was 18, and has been involved in two previous stabbings.

The national president of the Schizophrenia Fellowship, Cindi Wallace believes Manu was never given the treatment he needed.

She says the case raises the importance of recognising major mental illness very early.


Cindi Wallace says Manu should have been in secure forensic care.

South Auckland Health and the Ministry of Health
are reviewing Manu's care.


•Time: 11:37
•Category: Legal and law •Region: Waikato •Date: Sat Sep 18 1999 •text/1999/sep/18/rnz114126.html
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Posted 25 September 2014 - 02:23 PM

ACC STABBING ACCUSED NAME RELEASED-

Radio New Zealand Newswire A man has been remanded for a psychiatric report after he appeared in court this morning charged with murdering an ACC worker in Auckland.

ACC case manager, Janet Pike, who was 34, died at the scene after being attacked in a meeting room in her West Auckland office yesterday.

35-year-old Johnny Manu, of no fixed abode, entered no plea to a charge of murder when he appeared in the Waitakere District Court.

He was remanded in custody for two weeks.

Manu was flanked by three police officers and appeared agitated as he stood in the court room.


•Time: 14:35
•Category: Legal and law •Region: Waikato •Date: Fri Jun 25 1999 •text/1999/jun/25/rnz143701.html
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Posted 25 September 2014 - 02:30 PM

THE DOMINION, 27 AUG 1999, Edition 2, Page 3.
Murdered ACC worker was man's fifth knife attack victim

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THE man who killed ACC worker Janet Pike has carried out a string of horrific attacks since 1981.

Johnny Idolf Manu
, a schizophrenic, stabbed Mrs Pike, 33, at her office in Henderson, Waitemata City, on June 24 after a dispute over a $350 payment.

Manu, 35, admitted the murder yesterday and is being held in Mason Clinic till sentencing next month.

The court heard that Manu -- who had been receiving ACC payments for self-inflicted cuts to his arm -- had twice been turned away by Mrs Pike on the day of the murder.

He went to The Warehouse, bought a knife, returned to the office and stabbed Mrs Pike through the chest.

It was the latest of several similar attacks.

In 1981 Manu held a trimming knife to the throat of a shop assistant. Later he jumped the counter of an Auckland post office, grabbed a teller by the throat and threatened her with a knife.

In 1985 he escaped from Oakley psychiatric hospital and tried to grab a handbag from a woman at a bus terminal. The woman suffered a fractured skull when Manu dragged her along the ground.

In 1987 he knocked on the door of a Glen Eden home and stabbed the occupant in the chest, critically injuring him. The attack was in revenge for a beating, but it is understood Manu got the wrong home.

In 1994 Manu was turned down for a credit card at Westpac Henderson. He returned with a knife and stabbed a bank officer in the hand.

In court, Manu has always been declared fit to plead. He has served relatively short prison stints.

After yesterday's court appearance, Janet Pike's husband, Stephen, said he wondered how Manu had not been locked away for life long ago.

Manu had robbed his wife of 50 years of living, he said.

Manu has been in and out of psychiatric institutions since he was a teenager and was an outpatient of a South Auckland mental health clinic at the time of the murder.

His lawyer and social workers say the system failed Manu. Mr Pike said he should have been kept in jail after five attacks since 1981.

"The guy's not mad. He uses that, he knows the system, he's a very clever man. He's not mad, he's just evil," Mr Pike said.

"He planned Janet's murder -- he should have been locked away a long time ago. There's a fault in the system if this maniac has been allowed to attack so many people and is still walking the streets."

A psychiatrist commissioned by the defence said Manu was fit to plead, but his lawyer, David McNaughton, said people like Manu were slipping through the cracks of the mental health system.

The criteria for deciding whether someone was legally insane were too strict, he said.

"They are screening out a huge number of people like Johnny who are psychiatrically ill but not ill enough to take out of the mainstream criminal justice system and commit to psychiatric hospitals." -- NZPA

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Posted 25 September 2014 - 02:33 PM

HUSBAND OF MURDERED ACC WORKER SAYS RECOMMENDATIONS TOO LATE

Radio New Zealand Newswire The husband of the murdered ACC worker, Janet Pike, says the recommendations made in a report on the case of her killer come too late and he remains angry about what happened.

Johnny Manu, who has a history of violence, is serving a 12- and -a-half year sentence for stabbing Mrs Pike to death in June last year, at her workplace, in a dispute over his entitlements.

While the Ministry of Health report finds Manu received adequate care for his mental illness, it recommends more funding to address resourcing problems such as community houses, and more information-sharing between the relevant agencies Janet Pike's husband, Stephen, who now lives in England, says he remains angry that his wife was not warned about Manu's history of violence.

Mr Pike says it is pleasing to hear that problems within the mental health system are being addressed, but saddened that his wife had to die for that to happen.


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Posted 25 September 2014 - 02:47 PM

THE DOMINION, 28 AUG 1999, Edition 2, Page 3.
Victim recounts earlier attack

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A MURDER plot hatched by two schizophrenics has left Andrew Howe scarred for life.

Mention of Johnny Manu's name brings back a flood of horrific memories from an episode 12 years ago that left Mr Howe critically hurt and his father dead by his own hand.

Manu, who this week admitted stabbing ACC worker Janet Pike to death at her office in June, almost killed Mr Howe in the same manner.

One afternoon in 1987 Mr Howe answered a knock on the door of his West Auckland home. He was greeted by the fearsome sight of a heavily tattooed Manu, eyes blazing, a butcher's knife in his hand.

Manu lunged forward and thrust the knife into Mr Howe's chest. The blade slid between his lungs, narrowly missing his heart.

"I'd never seen him before in my life . . . I had no idea what was going on," Mr Howe said.

It later transpired that a "contract" had been taken out on Mr Howe's life and Manu was the hitman.

Mr Howe said his father had been in a relationship with a schizophrenic woman, who could not accept it was over. She got it into her head that Andrew Howe had caused the split.

"She tried to take me out of the picture using Johnny Manu -- she paid him $500."

The woman's obsession was too much for Mr Howe's father and he took his own life the day of the stabbing. He died before he knew what had happened to his son.

Mr Howe, now 35, lost a third of his liver but felt lucky not to have been more seriously hurt.

He holds no bitterness toward Manu, but the thought of the woman's role brings tears to his eyes. "She robbed me of my father."

Manu and the woman were jointly charged with aggravated assault, and Manu was freed from prison just over halfway into a two-year term. -- NZPA

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Murderers get unsupervised leave while in treatment

A brutal murderer has been allowed to walk free three times a week to "refamiliarise himself with the community" and develop his computer skills, despite the Parole Board deeming him too dangerous for release.

Jason Butler is one of a group of convicted killers who have swapped jail for mental health units while serving life sentences, becoming special patients under the Mental Health (Compulsory Assessment and Treatment) Act.

As a result, they can get up to a week's unsupervised leave while under treatment, depending on doctors' recommendations, which must be approved by the director of mental health.

But some of their victims' families and friends are calling for an urgent review of such killers' leave after murderer Phillip Smith's brazen escape to Brazil during temporary leave from Waikato's Spring Hill prison last month.

His escape led to a temporary halt of all inmates' leave and a Corrections Department review, but it didn't include convicted offenders in mental health care.

A ministerial inquiry was launched to probe Smith's escape, but it was yet unknown whether it would include special patients' leave.

"I think it bloody sucks because in two hours, he could be on my doorstep. That fellow got to Brazil, mate," the best friend of Butler's victim said about his three-times-a-week unsupervised leave.

Butler slit the throat of former partner Stephanie Baker, 26, after stabbing her multiple times in his parents' Tauranga home in July 1997 when she dropped off their one-year-old daughter.

Baker's best friend, who requested anonymity because she feared for her safety, witnessed the horrific attack.

Convicted as a sane killer, Butler was sent to jail for life, but has spent most of his sentence in mental health care, diagnosed with paranoid schizophrenia.

"To me, he's a walking time bomb."

Under law, registered victims, such as Baker's friend, are informed only when special patients are approved for unescorted leave for the first time.

In April, the Parole Board revealed that Butler started getting unescorted ground leave in October 2012 and last year began unescorted community leave three times a week.

If he kept improving, he could gain approval for overnight leave in the community, its decision said.

Another killer who could be granted unsupervised leave is Johnny Manu, who stabbed ACC worker Janet Pike to death in her workplace in 1999.

He is now a compulsory inpatient at Auckland's Mason Clinic, diagnosed with schizophrenia.

Pike's grieving husband, Steve Pike, said he had a breakdown several years ago when he discovered Manu could gain unsupervised leave into the community while in mental health care.


"It's abhorrent that anyone with that sort of history can even be considered for release. This guy could murder again."

Manu's most recent parole decision in September said he was allowed supervised leave in the clinic's grounds, but noted he was "a significant danger if untreated".

Pike said leave for killers in mental health services needed urgent review.

The parents of murdered Dunedin woman Karen Jacobs agree.

"I don't want anyone else to go through what we have," Maureen Watson said.

She and husband John were horrified to learn after their daughter's killer Gareth Smither's last parole hearing in August, that his escorted leave into the community from Hillmorton Hospital was reinstated in November last year.

This was despite his admitting smoking synthetic cannabis six months earlier and dodging detection by using a fellow patient's urine for a drug test.

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Posted 10 September 2015 - 12:49 PM

SHANE COWLISHAW from Stuff would you please edit your online copy of this article, the tragically murdered lady's surname is "Pike" not "Pik".

Thanks in advance.




ACC killer Johnny Manu denied parole again

SHANE COWLISHAW

Last updated 14:00, September 8 2015


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ACC worker Janet Pike was stabbed to death while at work in 1999.

A man serving a life sentence after stabbing an ACC worker to death has again been denied parole.

Psychiatric patient Johnny Manu murdered 33-year-old ACC worker Janet Pik(e) at her Henderson office in June 1999 after a dispute over a $350 payment.

He was turned away twice by Pike, before returning with a knife and stabbing her through the chest when they were alone in the waiting room.

In September 1999 Manu, then aged 35, was sentenced to life imprisonment, with a minimum non-parole period of 12 and a half years.

Manu appeared before the Parole Board last month via video link.

In its decision the board noted he had made some progress in the mental health facility where he was located, but there were no plans for him to be returned to prison.

A psychologist reported that Manu had a moderate risk of reoffending, but that could escalate if his mental health deteriorated.

"In his own presentation before us Mr Manu presented in a very subdued fashion, appeared not to well comprehend relatively simple questions put to him, was able to give only limited answers and after a short period declined to answer any further questions."

The board declined parole, but noted Manu was uncomfortable appearing by video link and he should be seen in person at his next appearance.

Manu's conviction in 1999 followed a string of attacks in public places.


In 1981, he held a trimming knife to the throat of a shop assistant and later jumped the counter of a Post Office, grabbing a teller by her throat and threatening her with the knife.

In 1985, he escaped from a psychiatric hospital and tried to grab a handbag from a woman at the Auckland downtown bus terminal, fracturing her skull as he dragged her along the ground.

In 1987, he knocked on the door of a Glen Eden home and stabbed the occupant in the chest, critically injuring him.

Then in 1994, he stabbed a bank officer at Westpac Henderson after being turned down for a credit card.

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Posted 10 September 2015 - 12:52 PM

When, should Johnny (John) Manu, ever be released we can only hope and trust he is never ever permitted to join this online forum or similar forums related to ACC matters as there may well end up also been horrible consequences for unsuspecting peoples who use them.
We are all entitled to our Personal Safety.

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Posted 10 September 2015 - 02:57 PM

Too True spider.

I for one would not feel safe staying that a certain forum member has great sympathy for this person and yet calls me a "crazy person" and a conspirator to the TBP which saw him punished by the police and that case represented threats towards ACC staff as well.


according to this person I am personally responsible for him getting charged and sentenced. That being as it is, his sympathies for a person who kills an ACC member, when involving a dispute over $340, is actually chicken feed when considered to what he accuses me of putting him thru.

Would not feel safe with vulnerable people like Johnny on the loose again. Being allowed contact with like abuses.

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Posted 10 September 2015 - 06:23 PM

View PostMINI, on 10 September 2015 - 02:57 PM, said:

Too True spider.

I for one would not feel safe staying that a certain forum member has great sympathy for this person and yet calls me a "crazy person" and a conspirator to the TBP which saw him punished by the police and that case represented threats towards ACC staff as well.


according to this person I am personally responsible for him getting charged and sentenced. That being as it is, his sympathies for a person who kills an ACC member, when involving a dispute over $340, is actually chicken feed when considered to what he accuses me of putting him thru.

Would not feel safe with vulnerable people like Johnny on the loose again. Being allowed contact with like abuses.

Mini


The above Content is clearly designed for all and sundry to positively identify me as the person referred to as there are plenty of identifying features. a thinly disguised veil designed clearly to distance yourself from what you then go on to say as fact will certainly not achieve your objective in any court so you are wasting your time on such a nonsensical effort, which has probably originated from your practice of using a false name with the thought that falsifying identities and suchlike provide you with some kind of immunity from defamation of character.

Mini why do you claim to feel safe that I would have sympathy for Johnny Manu? What is the basis of your opinion?

Perhaps more disturbing is the fact that you have merged issues concerning Johnny Manu on the thread about this fellow and then integrate myself into your posting. What possible reason would you have to do that?

With regards to Douglas Weal plan to fight in the ACC staff investigating him for fraud into thinking that they might be blown up why do you claim that police punishment and moreover what information do you have that suggests any threats river made to the ACC staff by me at all ever?

On what basis do you claim I have asserted you to be personally responsible for my being charged and sentenced. Clearly there is no basis for such a ridiculous notion. You will only receive information and failed to pass it on to the police are depriving me of such formation for my defence only.

Claiming that I have sympathies with the murder of ACC staff, Johnny Munu is not just offensive to Mrs Pike and her family and aggravating any fear Douglas Weal has attempted to induce amongst ACC staff regarding his allegations against myself you are also defaming my name in the worst possible way.

Your irrationality certainly emerges to the surface when you then go on to compare yourself and predicament with that of the ACC who had one of their staff noted. How dare you offend the memory of Ms Pike by comparing your claimed losses with Her actual losses in the losses of the family and friends. You ought to be ashamed of yourself.

Like it or not statistically there will be a percentage of people like Johnny Manu. The question is how that level of risk should be managed. Obviously simply locking up does not work and eventually he will be released perhaps even more dangerous than before. After all Ms Pike was not his target but simply another ACC staff member stepping up to show their colleagues how to do with claimants. We will recognise that the ACC continuously failed to heed the advice of the medical profession in this case likewise failed the frontline staff totally at the time and continue to fail to present. One can only wonder if the ACC will continue to fund this fellows antipsychotic medication once he gets out, which appears to be medication that they had previously approved before but were simply late in making the payment.

Is my sympathetic towards unsupported schizophrenics and psychotically challenged members of our society? My answer is yes because all human beings have a duty to clear to those who are disadvantaged in such a way with that duty of care including paying for the medication they need not only for the well-being of the individual but the downstream effects of what that individual may do to others such as what happened in this case.

Do I in any way endorse Johnny Manu's actions and activities as implied by Mini and Tagteam of which she is a member? My answer is no.

Do I have an opinion as to how this whole situation should have been managed? Yes I agree with the medical profession in as much as Jonny should have continued to receive in-house treatment and supervision set of being released into the community along with hundreds of others that are equally as dangerous as he is.

Is the tagteam and Mini being mischievous. The ongoing pattern of behaviour including the above posting indicates this case? The emotive is irrelevant.
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Posted 11 September 2015 - 06:12 PM

View PostAlan Thomas, on 10 September 2015 - 06:23 PM, said:

The above Content is clearly designed for all and sundry to positively identify me as the person referred to as there are plenty of identifying features. a thinly disguised veil designed clearly to distance yourself from what you then go on to say as fact will certainly not achieve your objective in any court so you are wasting your time on such a nonsensical effort, which has probably originated from your practice of using a false name with the thought that falsifying identities and suchlike provide you with some kind of immunity from defamation of character.

Mini why do you claim to feel safe that I would have sympathy for Johnny Manu? What is the basis of your opinion?

Perhaps more disturbing is the fact that you have merged issues concerning Johnny Manu on the thread about this fellow and then integrate myself into your posting. What possible reason would you have to do that?

With regards to Douglas Weal plan to fight in the ACC staff investigating him for fraud into thinking that they might be blown up why do you claim that police punishment and moreover what information do you have that suggests any threats river made to the ACC staff by me at all ever?

On what basis do you claim I have asserted you to be personally responsible for my being charged and sentenced. Clearly there is no basis for such a ridiculous notion. You will only receive information and failed to pass it on to the police are depriving me of such formation for my defence only.

Claiming that I have sympathies with the murder of ACC staff, Johnny Munu is not just offensive to Mrs Pike and her family and aggravating any fear Douglas Weal has attempted to induce amongst ACC staff regarding his allegations against myself you are also defaming my name in the worst possible way.

Your irrationality certainly emerges to the surface when you then go on to compare yourself and predicament with that of the ACC who had one of their staff noted. How dare you offend the memory of Ms Pike by comparing your claimed losses with Her actual losses in the losses of the family and friends. You ought to be ashamed of yourself.

Like it or not statistically there will be a percentage of people like Johnny Manu. The question is how that level of risk should be managed. Obviously simply locking up does not work and eventually he will be released perhaps even more dangerous than before. After all Ms Pike was not his target but simply another ACC staff member stepping up to show their colleagues how to do with claimants. We will recognise that the ACC continuously failed to heed the advice of the medical profession in this case likewise failed the frontline staff totally at the time and continue to fail to present. One can only wonder if the ACC will continue to fund this fellows antipsychotic medication once he gets out, which appears to be medication that they had previously approved before but were simply late in making the payment.

Is my sympathetic towards unsupported schizophrenics and psychotically challenged members of our society? My answer is yes because all human beings have a duty to clear to those who are disadvantaged in such a way with that duty of care including paying for the medication they need not only for the well-being of the individual but the downstream effects of what that individual may do to others such as what happened in this case.

Do I in any way endorse Johnny Manu's actions and activities as implied by Mini and Tagteam of which she is a member? My answer is no.

Do I have an opinion as to how this whole situation should have been managed? Yes I agree with the medical profession in as much as Jonny should have continued to receive in-house treatment and supervision set of being released into the community along with hundreds of others that are equally as dangerous as he is.

Is the tagteam and Mini being mischievous. The ongoing pattern of behaviour including the above posting indicates this case? The emotive is irrelevant.


Mini has been attacking and harassing Alan Thomas whenever the opportunity arises. We have reported her behaviour to our hard working admin, we note that at the time of this posting the forum community has given Mini 4 negative reputation points and Alan Thomas 6 positive reputation points - this community has clearly shown their displeasure at Mini's commentary.
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Posted 11 September 2015 - 10:22 PM

View Postnetcoachnz, on 11 September 2015 - 06:12 PM, said:

Mini has been attacking and harassing Alan Thomas whenever the opportunity arises. We have reported her behaviour to our hard working admin, we note that at the time of this posting the forum community has given Mini 4 negative reputation points and Alan Thomas 6 positive reputation points - this community has clearly shown their displeasure at Mini's commentary.


Posted Image/>.... LIAR ....

Hey NET CRAPPER,


the time is not far off when you will have to explain how so many positives for Tomo's RODENT Tag team
and so many negatives for us genuine members...

The fact is apart from 1 or 2 occasional members posting,
the is never any more than 2 members on site.
guests dont see "members only"...

So why keep up with the OBVIOUS LIE ???...FOOL
It amounts to FRAUD...
And it is being monitored...= b.t.p.t.b.


AND AGAIN WE HAVE MORE PROOF OF GENUINE MEMBERS POSTING RIGHTS BEING RESTRICTED...
"not allowed to post attachments"... = truthful stuff.









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Posted 12 September 2015 - 08:36 AM

View PostTomcat, on 11 September 2015 - 10:22 PM, said:

. LIAR ....

Hey NET CRAPPER,


the time is not far off when you will have to explain how so many positives for Tomo's RODENT Tag team
and so many negatives for us genuine members...

The fact is apart from 1 or 2 occasional members posting,
the is never any more than 2 members on site.
guests dont see "members only"...

So why keep up with the OBVIOUS LIE ???...FOOL
It amounts to FRAUD...
And it is being monitored...= b.t.p.t.b.


AND AGAIN WE HAVE MORE PROOF OF GENUINE MEMBERS POSTING RIGHTS BEING RESTRICTED...
"not allowed to post attachments"... = truthful stuff.











At the time of posting this and in regards to the two posts that Kenneth Miller seems so concerned about to give him cause to publish as he has
Mini within post #16 has 5 Red
Alan within post#17 has 7 green
Netcoach within post #18 has 2 Green
Tomcat post #19 has a zero on both red / green


It would indicate that a Minimum sub total to date of of Seven members have exercised there right to vote on the content of those #16 and #17 posts
Mini had more than 5 reds and appeared to receive Green votes which has reduced her amount of reds and Alan had some reds which reduced tally down- but up again with greens,
This is how it works
Seven have voted green for alan and also can vote red for mini so we have a total of a Minimum of voters at 7 members in either red or green re these particular posts
What is the problem you have Miller
Your own post at #19 shows you appear to have issues with members using there right to vote
You state as a fact there are never more that 2 members in the site.
More that that from my perusals of it. MUST BE as the number is at least seven re these postings.
Then you moan about you not receiving reds and not greens
A member does not have to post to vote .
Then you accuse of fraud re the votes being placed
Members can and do exercise there votes on the content of posts/ or re the poster.
How are you going to obtain the forum records of whom voted what and then have you powers that be come up with Fraudulent voting
You DONT even have the balls to write whom you class as your so called Powers to be you weak ass prick.
And What law would that be you going to use re fraud as to voting in here
What the F?A forum member up for fraud as to exercising their right to vote in a public forum
YOUR AN ABSOLUTE FUKWIT Miller
All it is=Is members exercising their voting rights-Do you want to have control what members think and do in here Kenneth?
Seems to be that from your own content re the voting system available to members
As for you claim re attachments -=BOLLOCKS
What is obvious here is that immediately any of your posts appears you have a green =That would make you a very vain person.
You LOST any control /influence that you did wield in here / and the trust of the sites owner you had within here long ago =when you had ALL you rights of access to the forums workings TAKEN AWAY from you, so Get a life and piss of to your on site
You are no better than Fran Van Helmond with your attempts to intimidate /harass using the Powers that Be as a means to get your wicked way
That type of activity has FAILED BADLY for FranPosted Image
Don't continue to be the Public PLONKER you show to be out here and Read the content and vote on that instead of you very obvious voting habit as to your dislike of the poster and ignoring the actual data / content.

David
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