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#1 User is offline   anonymousey 

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Posted 14 August 2014 - 02:57 PM

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#2 User is offline   Alan Thomas 

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Posted 17 August 2014 - 06:33 PM

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Please explain why you are of the opinion that I have ever at any stage had anything to do with Johnny Manu?
Please provide me with the names of the individuals who provided you with this so-called information.

My opinions regarding to what led up to and what followed the murder of Ms Pike are based on what Dr David Chaplow Director Regional Forensic Psychiatric Services, a friend of my friend, told me and Ms Pike's husband over the following months. Dr David Chaplow not only expressed his opinion regarding Mr Manu but also expanded upon his concerns regarding other matters surrounding my case in relation to the ACC.
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Posted 17 August 2014 - 06:39 PM

Thank you mousey.

View Postanonymousey, on 17 August 2014 - 06:15 PM, said:

FYI some media coverage located concerning this tragedy

As I am endeavouring to concentrate on any ACC connections that may need clarifying or confirming - I will highlight these issues or facts & try to minimise or snip material which I personally consider may relate to other matters etc Original links are included for readers if they feel there should be information uploaded which I have missed

I have chosen this MOH report to upload as it appears to canvas some issues during an official service investigation



Please note that I am endeavouring to discuss this sensitive issue with respect & deference to the family of Janet Pike

<<< QUOTE "It's notable that all the clinicians involved in Mr Manu's care agreed that his history of offending, including assaults and threatening behaviour, stemmed primarily from his personality disorder rather than his mental illness.

"Most mental illness can be successfully managed through medication. However associated problems such as anger management and impulse control, which stem from a personality disorder, cannot be treated with medication, as there is no medicine which works. UNQUOTE >>>


IMHO this is a clear statement which should discourage any notions that ACC were responsible for any medication costs to keep Johnny sane

qv quote name='Alan Thomas' timestamp='1393125547' post='179052'
".... the ACC employee who Knowingly aggravated a volatile situation by the misuse of the power by depriving funding an insane man of the medication he needed to remain sane"


<<< QUOTE All Mental Health workers should be advised that accurate up to date information of past offending is relevant, is a matter of public record, should be given to those involved with client care. UNQUOTE >>>

IMHO this information is critical for managing dangerous offenders - & I would likely include information concerning associations and networks eg if the person is associating heavily with other convicted criminals then this too should be recorded and assessed as required etc

<<< QUOTE 6. The current line drawn between Prison and Mental Health Services is artificial. We recommend that there be a closer interaction between Corrections and Mental Health Services to ensure joint responsibility for people with mental health needs while they are in prison. It was beyond our brief (and not directly relevant to Johnny Manu's care) to consider the benefits or otherwise of a law change which would allow compulsory treatment for those serving prison sentences. UNQUOTE >>>

I am uncertain if any law change has been developed or accepted yet - but I do agree that it is critical greater and wider responsibilities should be examined stringently and evaluated regularly etc Another illustration would relate to the releases of dangerous mental health patients and ensuring all policing, legal & prison services are properly advised etc

<<< QUOTE The Manu case highlights that reliance on earlier psychiatric reports does not ensure that information is up to date or accurate. Original sources (Court records, police computer records, original files) must be accessed to ensure information and transfer of information is accurate, up to date, complete, relevant and "not misleading". UNQUOTE >>>


Various points as noted above, and I am hopeful that the new legislation which is evolving will also consider LIFELONG risk management of individuals with a history of dangerous & disturbed behaviour etc


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#4 User is offline   Alan Thomas 

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Posted 17 August 2014 - 07:14 PM

I am continually horrified that you continue to generate information it simply does not exist.
It seems that you are the mother of artificial memory syndrome or at least comprehend its technology and are deliberately generating false memories and others.
My comments in blue

View Postanonymousey, on 17 August 2014 - 06:54 PM, said:

The only person providing any information concerning your relationship with Johnny Manu is you Alan!!
I do not know Mr Manu, I have never met him and I most certainly have never claimed any form of relationship with. The notion is preposterous.

Also you should know that I personally find it disturbing that you are claiming that you even spoke to a grieving widower Mr Pike concerning ANYTHING to do with this terrible tragedy Alan!
He contacted me on several occasions, I did not contact him.

FYI I am also horrified that you are claiming that Dr David Chaplow Director of Regional Forensic Psychiatric Services accompanied YOU to any personal real life meeting with the grieving family Alan!
Nowhere have I ever claimed any meeting with Mrs Pike's grieving family and I have no knowledge whether or not Dr David Chaplow as ever met Mr Manu either, let alone together.

As you can note that Dr David Chaplow and his contact phone numbers are listed within the MOH Press release above Alan - so there is no need to try and impress/distract here about any of your friend connections etc IMHO the issue is that I find your opinions concerning this murder PLUS a named professional persons opinions very disturbing for different reasons!
Doctor Chaplow is not a friend of mine but I did speak to him at a time when he was having a discussion with a friend of mine and he did describe the background situation together with his opinions in very very definite terms. Having regard for his position I think I'm entitled to rely upon his opinion over above the likes of your own.


If anything there is no sign IMHO that Chaplow has supported your opined conclusions concerning this murder which I have noted where you have been blagging over the years with your different comments etc
All I know is that I expressed my concerns to the manager of the ACC and Henderson prior to the murder, received telephone calls from the husband of a woman murdered, ACC trespassed me from that situation right up until the present without interruption and that I have had conversations with Doctor Chaplow concerning the whole circumstances including ACCs conduct towards its staff, its training and ongoing incompetence combined with numerous other factors that are of concern. It seems to me that you and your ilk are having more to say about the situation despite having no actual connection to the situation at all and can only rattle along with your various preconceived notions about reality without benefit of high quality input from those who are qualified to have an opinion.

BTW I would ask if you were trespassed at the time you entered Mr Pike's home AND if Dr Chaplow is /was aware of any trespass orders against you then OR now Alan?
Why would you think I have ever been to Mr Pikes home? There is no information to suggest such nonsense. From that you extrapolate even more nonsense involving Doctor Chaplow. Then you demand information about your imagination eking some kind of confirmation to what you imagine. You are truly a very very dangerous person. It appears that you have no connection with reality have no control over your imagination and possibly cannot distinguish the difference between reality and your imagination..
I would also hope & advocate that Mr Pike has been helped to cope with any distress and difficulties that arise as a result from your visit and of course "your opinions" Alan Posted Image
Mister Pike expressed his concern that ACC had used for publicity and had not even paid for the funeral despite making a decision to do so when seeking advice about the ACC legislation to enforce the decision and yes he was in tears when he told me of his soured relationship with the ACC. Obviously he did deserve some form of help and compensation from the ACC are needed to turn to others. I just happen to have an Internet site about ACC matters which form the basis of the connection. However you continue on as if I have been to is home and somehow assert that I have intruded on his life when in fact this circumstance and the death of Mrs Pike intruded on mine.


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Posted 17 August 2014 - 08:15 PM

Right on!

View Postanonymousey, on 17 August 2014 - 06:54 PM, said:

The only person providing any information concerning your relationship with Johnny Manu is you Alan!!

Also you should know that I personally find it disturbing that you are claiming that you even spoke to a grieving widower Mr Pike concerning ANYTHING to do with this terrible tragedy Alan!

FYI I am also horrified that you are claiming that Dr David Chaplow Director of Regional Forensic Psychiatric Services accompanied YOU to any personal real life meeting with the grieving family Alan!

As you can note that Dr David Chaplow and his contact phone numbers are listed within the MOH Press release above Alan - so there is no need to try and impress/distract here about any of your friend connections etc IMHO the issue is that I find your opinions concerning this murder PLUS a named professional persons opinions very disturbing for different reasons!

If anything there is no sign IMHO that Chaplow has supported your opined conclusions concerning this murder which I have noted where you have been blagging over the years with your different comments etc

BTW I would ask if you were trespassed at the time you entered Mr Pike's home AND if Dr Chaplow is /was aware of any trespass orders against you then OR now Alan?

I would also hope & advocate that Mr Pike has been helped to cope with any distress and difficulties that arise as a result from your visit and of course "your opinions" Alan Posted Image

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Posted 08 December 2014 - 06:20 AM


http://www.stuff.co....le-in-treatment


Murderers get unsupervised leave while in treatment

A brutal murderer has been allowed to walk free three times a week to "refamiliarise himself with the community" and develop his computer skills, despite the Parole Board deeming him too dangerous for release.

Jason Butler is one of a group of convicted killers who have swapped jail for mental health units while serving life sentences, becoming special patients under the Mental Health (Compulsory Assessment and Treatment) Act.

As a result, they can get up to a week's unsupervised leave while under treatment, depending on doctors' recommendations, which must be approved by the director of mental health.

But some of their victims' families and friends are calling for an urgent review of such killers' leave after murderer Phillip Smith's brazen escape to Brazil during temporary leave from Waikato's Spring Hill prison last month.

His escape led to a temporary halt of all inmates' leave and a Corrections Department review, but it didn't include convicted offenders in mental health care.

A ministerial inquiry was launched to probe Smith's escape, but it was yet unknown whether it would include special patients' leave.

"I think it bloody sucks because in two hours, he could be on my doorstep. That fellow got to Brazil, mate," the best friend of Butler's victim said about his three-times-a-week unsupervised leave.

Butler slit the throat of former partner Stephanie Baker, 26, after stabbing her multiple times in his parents' Tauranga home in July 1997 when she dropped off their one-year-old daughter.

Baker's best friend, who requested anonymity because she feared for her safety, witnessed the horrific attack.

Convicted as a sane killer, Butler was sent to jail for life, but has spent most of his sentence in mental health care, diagnosed with paranoid schizophrenia.

"To me, he's a walking time bomb."

Under law, registered victims, such as Baker's friend, are informed only when special patients are approved for unescorted leave for the first time.

In April, the Parole Board revealed that Butler started getting unescorted ground leave in October 2012 and last year began unescorted community leave three times a week.

If he kept improving, he could gain approval for overnight leave in the community, its decision said.

Another killer who could be granted unsupervised leave is Johnny Manu, who stabbed ACC worker Janet Pike to death in her workplace in 1999.

He is now a compulsory inpatient at Auckland's Mason Clinic, diagnosed with schizophrenia.

Pike's grieving husband, Steve Pike, said he had a breakdown several years ago when he discovered Manu could gain unsupervised leave into the community while in mental health care.


"It's abhorrent that anyone with that sort of history can even be considered for release. This guy could murder again."

Manu's most recent parole decision in September said he was allowed supervised leave in the clinic's grounds, but noted he was "a significant danger if untreated".

Pike said leave for killers in mental health services needed urgent review.

The parents of murdered Dunedin woman Karen Jacobs agree.

"I don't want anyone else to go through what we have," Maureen Watson said.

She and husband John were horrified to learn after their daughter's killer Gareth Smither's last parole hearing in August, that his escorted leave into the community from Hillmorton Hospital was reinstated in November last year.

This was despite his admitting smoking synthetic cannabis six months earlier and dodging detection by using a fellow patient's urine for a drug test.

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#7 User is offline   David Butler 

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Posted 22 August 2016 - 08:12 PM

Posting #14 posted rightly in my opinion tho QUITE ALARMINGLY information at that of step by step set of actions which in my opinion next step had to be ,was to achieve the use of the Takapuna Bomb Plot -refers to use of voice software untraceable calling card telefones etc underhanded actions to gain access to information from acc and the lengths thomas describes he will go to on that contact to gain access to acc staff etc

This was raised back in 2006 as well where Thomas was BY DECEITFUL MEANS ,soliciting claimants members of this forum to do his bidding in dealing with WINZ and the ACC Remote Claimant handling unit
There was a no choice option OFFERED OTHER THAN DO AS ORDERED BY HIM / from Thomas to do as he wanted say as he wanted and return with the information he wanted

It was in the time period of 2006/7 all the while Thomas was building up his library of Bomb Making manuals documents which also shows the concerns some had were on the mark as Very valid concerns about Thomas.


Most if us told him to get stuffed however whether some vulnerable one being conned by Thomas to the extent they believed /or more to the point fooled by his charms ,in his charade of Radicalized philosophies did in fact act as he wanted im not sure.
Makes real enlightening reading for others to now see the other means he wanted to go to to gain access information of acc and the staff at the acc remote claims unit
A very dangerous person to be amidst us all in my opinion.

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Posted 22 August 2016 - 09:16 PM

View Postanonymousey, on 22 August 2016 - 06:41 PM, said:

I am not sure if I have missed other comments this week or not sorry ...but this disturbing comment from Alan that he will not properly alert authorities if he has foreknowledge of crimes being planned concerns me

Unfortunately it appears that aside from his violent rhetoric found within this website ... Alan is also maintaining networks in real life with vulnerable claimants


I was first trespassed a direct consequence of warning the ACC branch manager of the high level of risk she was exposing her staff to the Henderson branch directly prior to the murder of Mrs Pike. The ACC have renewed that press pass every two years light up until the present. This demonstrates the ACC's irrationality by attacking the messenger bringing bad news rather than deal with the problem resulting in the ACC been directly responsible for the loss of their staff by not feeding the advice given. It is this type of abuse of power used by bureaucrats solely for the purposes of disguising their failings irrespective of the cost of life to those they are responsible for that flows on to other aspects of their duties of which we seem to be the beneficiaries of.
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Posted 22 August 2016 - 10:08 PM

View PostAlan Thomas, on 22 August 2016 - 09:16 PM, said:

I was first trespassed a direct consequence of warning the ACC branch manager of the high level of risk she was exposing her staff to the Henderson branch directly prior to the murder of Mrs Pike. The ACC have renewed that press pass every two years light up until the present. This demonstrates the ACC's irrationality by attacking the messenger bringing bad news rather than deal with the problem resulting in the ACC been directly responsible for the loss of their staff by not feeding the advice given. It is this type of abuse of power used by bureaucrats solely for the purposes of disguising their failings irrespective of the cost of life to those they are responsible for that flows on to other aspects of their duties of which we seem to be the beneficiaries of.


Quite rightly so in my opinion
Dont flatter yourself with more bullshit to look good out here Thomas as prior to that Henderson issue -You being an overbearing bully of anti acc towards acc staff it is now Very traumatic for ones to experience you in their presence when youve been found guilty of planning to blow them all up Thomas.



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Posted 22 August 2016 - 11:01 PM

View PostDavid Butler, on 22 August 2016 - 10:08 PM, said:

Quite rightly so in my opinion
Dont flatter yourself with more bullshit to look good out here Thomas as prior to that Henderson issue -You being an overbearing bully of anti acc towards acc staff it is now Very traumatic for ones to experience you in their presence when youve been found guilty of planning to blow them all up Thomas.



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How do you think a retrial on the TBP would go if it did eventuate Dave..B)/>

What I am asking is would the same verdict be reached. (1)/

And how many new charges would be laid as a consequence of the trial BY jury.. I say 6 maybe 7 and one would be given clemency.

IPCA would have a nightmare and find egg on the face of police too.


From what I have seen having evidential support as mitigating factors,, a retrial would go viral..:D/>
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Posted 22 August 2016 - 11:17 PM

View PostDavid Butler, on 22 August 2016 - 10:08 PM, said:

Quite rightly so in my opinion
Dont flatter yourself with more bullshit to look good out here Thomas as prior to that Henderson issue -You being an overbearing bully of anti acc towards acc staff it is now Very traumatic for ones to experience you in their presence when youve been found guilty of planning to blow them all up Thomas.



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And how do you figure that?
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Posted 23 August 2016 - 12:49 AM

View Postanonymousey, on 23 August 2016 - 12:43 AM, said:

Yes ...even this past month I have noted Alan specifically reaching out to newbies David ...and whether or not he is espousing his hatred of ACC or women ...or blowing his own trumpets ...I find it all deeply disturbing which is why I now will opine that he should be under 24/7 supervision in real life as well as be monitored in respect of ALL his online and telephone activities!!

IMHO the risks of impersonating others and identity theft now are very clear with Alan either from his own mouth or of course other court cases ...and I would hope there could even be some possible NZ Police assistance strategy to ensure that Alan ONLY has claim material relating to his own case!! For example, when the NZ Police have accessed or evaluated the forum and personal material contained within all his devices and papers from both convictions to date - every other single real life person found in these items should be notified of their privacy and safety risks etc I would also include the 0800 telephone helpline records should be another lot of personal information that must be immediately removed from Alan too David ...

Not sure if you spotted it David...but even a few days ago he was taunting and playing ignorant about cellphones in here ...so when one adds the additional dangerous tricks he utilises such as prepay cards & voicechangers...I would call it extremely DANGEROUS situation has been present within this forum from its very beginning ...and yup I would also use capital letters to emphasise that I personally consider this behaviour to be found with many DANGEROUS TERRORISTS and sociopaths sadly ...


When did you start working for ACC?
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Posted 23 August 2016 - 09:44 AM

Many of us have read what is in

ALL YOUR COURT DOCUMENTS ALAN THOMAS

IN READING THE COURT DOCUMENTS..
PLUS THE 1400 PLUS PAGES OF THE TOTAL DECLINATURE THREAD...

RECENT POST MANIPULATION WHEREBY YOU HAVE THE COMPLETE ABILITY TO MANIPULATE THE WORDING OR PULL IT DOWN COMPLETELY

SHOWS YOU ARE STILL VERY LABILE, VOLATILE, AND CRIMINALLY RECEPTIVE
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Posted 23 August 2016 - 10:06 AM

View PostAlan Thomas, on 22 August 2016 - 11:17 PM, said:

And how do you figure that?


Your the supposed expert on post traumatic issue Thomas
Surely you can figure out there is a major problem to others with you being in attendance with you being the cause of the trauma's .
Your barrister offered for me to stay at your residence for a number of days whilst i dealt with him as to your case
The offer to have you as my driver was immediately rejected and by the Jeepers i had to immediately consider the offer to stay with you as when retiring for the night wondering if be alive the next morning as to being in your presence the way you were carrying on
And you wonder how i figure out re others being traumatized being in your presence

get real some time you prat


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Posted 23 August 2016 - 08:08 PM

View Postnot their victim, on 23 August 2016 - 09:44 AM, said:

Many of us have read what is in

ALL YOUR COURT DOCUMENTS ALAN THOMAS

IN READING THE COURT DOCUMENTS..
PLUS THE 1400 PLUS PAGES OF THE TOTAL DECLINATURE THREAD...

RECENT POST MANIPULATION WHEREBY YOU HAVE THE COMPLETE ABILITY TO MANIPULATE THE WORDING OR PULL IT DOWN COMPLETELY

SHOWS YOU ARE STILL VERY LABILE, VOLATILE, AND CRIMINALLY RECEPTIVE


How do you figure that?
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Posted 23 August 2016 - 08:12 PM

View PostDavid Butler, on 23 August 2016 - 10:06 AM, said:

Your the supposed expert on post traumatic issue Thomas
Surely you can figure out there is a major problem to others with you being in attendance with you being the cause of the trauma's .
Your barrister offered for me to stay at your residence for a number of days whilst i dealt with him as to your case
The offer to have you as my driver was immediately rejected and by the Jeepers i had to immediately consider the offer to stay with you as when retiring for the night wondering if be alive the next morning as to being in your presence the way you were carrying on
And you wonder how i figure out re others being traumatized being in your presence

get real some time you prat


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So then the judge directed the police go an d get you and put you in front of him and you ran away
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Posted 24 August 2016 - 12:15 AM

View PostAlan Thomas, on 23 August 2016 - 08:12 PM, said:

So then the judge directed the police go an d get you and put you in front of him and you ran away


Trying to employ your psychological pathetic mind games of words dont work with me Thomas so >>>Show the Direction order of the Judge Thomas<<
as if what you state is true then there are records available of that,which ''MUST'' be in your possession

AND DONT FORGET You have NO IDEA of the documentations that i have obtained via various means, proper or not in hand on the takapuna case from start to finish matey Just quitely sitting on most of it waiting until the time is right to show you up big time in a court ,so dont go putting bullshit documentation up thinking your a smart ass.


and provide the exact transcripts of the court on this matter when the judge was supposedly told i refused to be there
The judge as from your explanation to me [recorded] wanted me as your barrister told him i had documents re the case
You also said your barrister told the Judge i had documents that needed to be in the court and he was ''ONLY'' now aware of them which led to the judge asking for me,
and the judge included the duk mail issues of which the Judge had a copy of the BEFORE he ordered the recall hearing
Odd thing here is Thomas
BOTH YOU and Cooke already had possession of ALL the documents the judge was told you never had and that reason of you not having them was why the judge asked for me to be in court
so what would have happened-''IF I WAS actually ASKED ,which i wasnt and when in court told the judge well Sir here are the documents emails all ratified and they show that Thomas and Cooke have had possession of the documents for a long time Yet they say they know about but dont have. and that YOU and COOKE had had the Duk email from me which i provided to you thus in your possession for many months prior to the court day where / when the recall was ordered after that days hearing was at an end.
The Police ALSO gave cooke the duk mail

YOUR SO FULL OF LIES Thomas your becoming quite a Joke in your attempts to side track away from the FACT
YOU ARE THE MAD BOMBER
Cant be No doubt about it
The judge told you so


FUCK YOU OVER TIME WAS THERE for me Thomas so in court You can bet your last dollar id a been there to fuk you over in front of the judge and expose all your LIES.
which by the way would have put YOU Weal Miller to bed and all this crap would not be in this forum and a lot of people would not have been harmed by your nasty actions .

your so full of your own bullshit thomas its all coming back round to bite your ass big time real soon

You are the only one who accused of me refusing to attend the Courts
If you have the evidence of that then show it to prove your NOT Telling Lies of which to date you have filled this forum up with on many issue your write your bullshite about.
One of the unexplained issues i have is the duk mail was of great impottance to you and cooke to be examined in court
Now you accuse me of refusing to attend about the duk mail-which is NOT TRUE.
However it would reasonable to assume the duk mail being so important enough to spend some time with the judge with by Cooke and cooke managed to get the judge to supposedly ask for my attendance and when i was not there WHY ,as he had a LEGAL right to do ,Did Cooke not immediately ask for a warrant for my attendance to be produced and have me in court/altho i guess it would have looked rather bad to order a warrant to appear for failing to attend when my Barrister turned up with me stating to the Judge that id never been asked thus not have refused to attend
Somethings all wrong with your accusations here Thomas
Tell us what its all about time for you
Especially about why the issue of the alleged attendance of me was of so great an importance to your case -which you accuse of me refusing to attend was NOT used as a means to open the case to appeal-of which your New barrister looked at quite intensively thru all the case issues with me for any opening to an appeal .knew full well of your accusations against me and the police BUT DID NOT PROCEED WITH AN APPEAL
WHYs that then Thomas?


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Posted 24 August 2016 - 01:49 AM

David Butler please tell the forum members the reason you didn't dial 111 with you information
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Posted 24 August 2016 - 10:19 AM

He didn't need to



You were already under due process

And we're charged with
THREATENING TO KILL ACC STAFF,

INNOCENT CLAIMANTS IN THE BUILDING

AND A DIVERSIONARY TANKER DRIVER

WHO HAD NO IDEA HE'D BEEN SELECTED FOR YOUR NEFARIOUS TASKS...

ARE ACC AWARE YOU HAVE A DOSSIER ON THEIR STAFF ALAN ? ? ?

AND TRIED TO CON OTHER FORUM MEMBERS INTO GATHERING SAID INFO ON YOUR BEHALF ???

THAT DOCUMENT OF WHAT YOU REQUIRED WOULD BE ENOUGH TO PUT YOU BACK IN THE MASON CLINIC

THIS TIME UNDER PERMANENT DETENTION

With your mates he who paid the piper, and battleaxe.
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Posted 14 May 2017 - 11:28 AM

Mousey

Do you consider that Battleaxe had been coached when she approached Alan Thomas in 2015. ie that she was to be Alans conduit into the back of the ACCforum without us knowing.?

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