[BARON VON OIL]

spoke to my cm yesterday and told her im on crutches and have a knee brace, wow she wanted to no wot kind of brace is it.
who said u cant do vocational guidance, yet I emailed her and told her everthing she needed to no.
(I stuffed the cartilage in my knee and the hospital is referring me for surgery.)
so then she started giving me crap about why I wont do the sales and customer course ( they want me to be a trolley boy)
and that I have to do it, greymouth has limited jobs available, and the traffic management course
these are all they have offered me apart from saying I could always go to chch
but I live here and theres no where to live there but shes pushy
and now that Jorgen schousboe has given me a bum report and ive been declined lump sum even tho I have a permanent injury.
(did u no he has a face book page)
so Ive been touch with a lawyer from KFM.
acc have been pushing vocational guidance, pain management,physio all at the same time.
I really hate my cm and acc cause now they r telling me what I can and cant do.
roll on Monday when the lawyer rings

[tommy]

The three courses are designed to be of assistance in being the case, and are being offered for those reasons to help you if they do. Why look at it in a negative way it may give you some skills to help you , cheers

[BLURB]

tommy, on 10 May 2014 - 03:43 PM, said:

The three courses are designed to be of assistance in being the case, and are being offered for those reasons to help you if they do. Why look at it in a negative way it may give you some skills to help you , cheers

Totally agree.

Its more than what many others, including myself, have had, or have been offered.

What skills do you have 'Baron Von Oil'?

[unit1of2]

tommy, on 10 May 2014 - 03:43 PM, said:

The three courses are designed to be of assistance in being the case, and are being offered for those reasons to help you if they do. Why look at it in a negative way it may give you some skills to help you , cheers

Isn't the chap still waiting to have 'Surgery'.... dah!???

[Brucey]

unit1of2, on 10 May 2014 - 04:53 PM, said:

Isn't the chap still waiting to have 'Surgery'.... dah!???

The fact that you are waiting for an operation will not stop ACC from pushing on with the vocational assessment, and training. You would need to be hooked up to an iron lung, or on life support before they would back off. and if you refuse they will cut you off.
Damaged cartilage is a simple operation done usually by orthroscopy these days, two days in hospital, a bit of physio and you will be running around in six to eight weeks or less.

Baron you need to consider what your situation would be if they exit you, at worst you would find yourself on a sickness benefit, and WINZ would then put you through a similar process, and exit you if you do not comply.

Hey it's a shit deal, but that's the way it is. You need to get the most you can out of it.

[greg]

ACC is correct to put you on a pain management and some
strengthening programmes for you knee.
The fitter you are Physically and mentally, the better the result will be from surgery.

[Sparrow]

[quote name='BARON VON OIL' timestamp='1399687859' post='182983']
spoke to my cm yesterday

Hi suggest you stop talking to the CM and let the Advocate do it from now on.

you could damage your case.

my advice is stop ringing the CM, let your advocate do it cos that is what you are paying him for.



go carefully as you are on the slippery slope to being thrown off Weekly Compo

[doppelganger]

your first objective to ask for the name of employer as your job as traffic management will need to take into account the lifting of the signs. Your reason for the name of employer is to make sure they are going to accept your employment with your injuries which the Health and safety employment has been considered when completing all of the necessary tasks.

[Sparrow]

I don't think he has a job, it is a work trial

Be good seeing a "lollypop" man on crutches!

[unit1of2]

greg, on 10 May 2014 - 06:11 PM, said:

ACC is correct to put you on a pain management and some
strengthening programmes for you knee.
The fitter you are Physically and mentally, the better the result will be from surgery.

Isn't this chaps GP and specialist the one appropriate people to be organising what is appropriate for the person going forward... re Pain management and Physio? He hasn't even had the dam surgery yet?!

[BARON VON OIL]

look ive got plenty of skills classes 1.2.r.t.w plus a page full of unit standards.this is all I no and im 51
y should I go from driving on gold claims and quarries to be a trolley boy, or do a desk job.im not a white collar wrker type

ive had no surgery yet.

physio and chiros put me in hospital every time they wrk on me. no faith there

this knee injury is on top of my original injury I was out walking which they told me to do.

I have been on acc for 2 yrs 4 a neck injury to which theres no treatment other than stem cell injections.

from now on I will be letting my lawyer speak 4 me

[BARON VON OIL]

BLURB, on 10 May 2014 - 04:26 PM, said:

Totally agree.

Its more than what many others, including myself, have had, or have been offered.

What skills do you have 'Baron Von Oil'?

look at my reply at the bottom

[jaffa]

"waiting for an operation will not stop ACC from pushing on with the vocational assessment, and training."

Another claimant couldn't walk and ACC denied her wheelchair taxi to an occupational medical assessment so she abandoned the w/c in her driveway for her round the home short distance walker frame.

"if you refuse they will cut you off."

When she arrived she says there was NO mobility access for her to wheel her gutter frame over the door step/lip into the building and the Dr's examination room was 50 M slow agony to shuffle with her gutter frame. She had to keep sitting on chairs dotted along the corridor.

ACC hasn't improved its poor human rights since 2011 when they also bullied her under threats of disentitlement again to attend assessors without mobility access.

angryman, on 10 May 2014 - 05:45 PM, said:

The fact that you are waiting for an operation will not stop ACC from pushing on with the vocational assessment, and training. You would need to be hooked up to an iron lung, or on life support before they would back off. and if you refuse they will cut you off.
Damaged cartilage is a simple operation done usually by orthroscopy these days, two days in hospital, a bit of physio and you will be running around in six to eight weeks or less.

Baron you need to consider what your situation would be if they exit you, at worst you would find yourself on a sickness benefit, and WINZ would then put you through a similar process, and exit you if you do not comply.

Hey it's a shit deal, but that's the way it is. You need to get the most you can out of it.

[jaffa]

BARON VON OIL, on 10 May 2014 - 02:10 PM, said:

spoke to my cm yesterday and told her im on crutches and have a knee brace, wow she wanted to no wot kind of brace is it.
who said u cant do vocational guidance, yet I emailed her and told her everthing she needed to no.
(I stuffed the cartilage in my knee and the hospital is referring me for surgery.)
so then she started giving me crap about why I wont do the sales and customer course ( they want me to be a trolley boy)
and that I have to do it, greymouth has limited jobs available, and the traffic management course
these are all they have offered me apart from saying I could always go to chch
but I live here and theres no where to live there but shes pushy
and now that Jorgen schousboe has given me a bum report and ive been declined lump sum even tho I have a permanent injury.
(did u no he has a face book page)
so Ive been touch with a lawyer from KFM.
acc have been pushing vocational guidance, pain management,physio all at the same time.
I really hate my cm and acc cause now they r telling me what I can and cant do.
roll on Monday when the lawyer rings

Sure glad you have found a lawyer to help you while you can. Many cannot afford such, hence the UN case. Well done Baron!


Why did it take the UN for ACC to do the right thing for people with disability?
By Latifa Daud / April 27, 2014 /

Rating: 5.0/5 (7 votes cast)

TDB recommends VoyagerThanks to a United Nations committee bringing ACC to question about the matter, people with disabilities through accidents are finally having their voices heard about their inability to do just that previously.






This week saw a massive step forward for ACC clients who had previously seen their payments, and therefore their income cut for no real reason. Thanks to a United Nations committee bringing ACC to question about the matter, people with disabilities through accidents are finally having their voices heard about their inability to do just that previously. Warren Forster from the Injury support group Acclaim Otago said, “Finally, we have an international body saying to the New Zealand Government, ‘There’s an issue here and we’d like you to address this’. That is the first time that this has ever been done.”

To me this shows progress and it is always a good thing when people have their human right to have a voice back. While it is excellent that ACC clients can express their concerns about adequate funding as well as other disability related issues, there is another group of people who still have a long way to go in receiving adequate funding with minimal hassle. I hate to be the one to cast a dark shadow over a victory, but I’m going to anyway.

People with born disabilities, who go through the Ministry of Health, do not receive funding as quickly and as easily as people who have a disability as a result of an accident. I was born with a disability that didn’t show its symptoms until I was 11 years old. I remember having to wait an awful long time to receive any compensation for housing modifications, which also included a lengthy and painstaking paperwork process. Meanwhile, my day-to-day functioning was becoming increasingly difficult. This was happening as the person who suffered a horrific accident received everything they needed at the drop of a hat.

While I was obviously happy for them, I wondered why the processes were so different. However the disability occurred, the final situation is still the same and that should be all that is considered. Both groups of people still need extra assistance, regardless of what they are.

However, if there is anything that I want to make clear, it is that the fault is not with the people who work for these funding organisations. They are merely working within an already existing system that is flawed in itself. I remember my case-workers expressing their own disagreements with the way things are run.

Like I said, I am incredibly happy that the issue with the ACC has turned to favour the clients. As a proud New Zealander who believes in equal opportunity, I do hope these battles for acknowledgement continue to be won.

- See more at: http://thedailyblog....h.RTyb2nre.dpuf

[jaffa]

You are right. He's mangled the cartilage in his knee so it on crutches and has a knee brace while awaiting the remedial surgery for his physical rehab.

unit1of2, on 10 May 2014 - 04:53 PM, said:

Isn't the chap still waiting to have 'Surgery'.... dah!???

[doppelganger]

Sparrow, on 11 May 2014 - 09:35 PM, said:

I don't think he has a job, it is a work trial

Be good seeing a "lollypop" man on crutches!

a lolly pop person doesn't need the qualifications to carry out traffic management. this can be undertaken by a labour with the necessary skills. The person will fail obtain work as any other work will aggravate the injuries in which by law the person can not undertake.


What's the bet the case manager is ignoring the knee injury because she was told to ignore the injury. She is a fraudster and more than likely using the 167 form to complete this task.

Judge P J Cartwright summed up what's happening in case Parker v Accident Compensation Corporation [1994] NZACAA 387 (15 December 1994). Placing an injured person in a job knowing the injury is going to deteriorate is not Vocational Rehabilitation. (note this is an Appeal Authority case )

[greg]

doppelganger, on 12 May 2014 - 06:01 PM, said:

a lolly pop person doesn't need the qualifications to carry out traffic management. this can be undertaken by a labour with the necessary skills. The person will fail obtain work as any other work will aggravate the injuries in which by law the person can not undertake.


What's the bet the case manager is ignoring the knee injury because she was told to ignore the injury. She is a fraudster and more than likely using the 167 form to complete this task.

Judge P J Cartwright summed up what's happening in case Parker v Accident Compensation Corporation [1994] NZACAA 387 (15 December 1994). Placing an injured person in a job knowing the injury is going to deteriorate is not Vocational Rehabilitation. (note this is an Appeal Authority case )

ACC does not have a job of lolly pop or traffic controller at ACC. site http://www.acc.co.nz...065117?ssType=8
The correct ' New Zealand Transport Agency Level 1 basic Traffic controller [TC] certification 1 day assessed course' from my IOA.
and that is why there is no ACC number. [another version of exit by a misrepresentation of assessors].

I would also like to add this assessor stated income was $30k to $45k for a 40 hr week. I have stopped and talked to a few and that's bullshit. $13.50 hr.

[BARON VON OIL]

well im prepared to go to court, the crutches make my original injury much more painful

[tommy]

I in my opinion believe you have a valid case, but you should settle down , or to an extent of not getting too alarmed of something that has not happened. this appears to be a common problem to claimants of many cases ?

[BARON VON OIL]

this is bullshit contacted a lawyer one recommened from here $175 a hr even hes out to screw me

why does every1 want to screw u over

this is seriously driving me to suicide

I cant sleep, have problems eating, seriously over stressed,

I wish I never claimed on this injury its turning into a nightmare