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#21 User is offline   David Butler 

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Posted 01 March 2014 - 07:11 AM

'Alan Thomas'
The most unreliable form of lie detecting is a person who has the arrogance to think they are capable of determining whether or not someone is lying. As can be seen in this classical example a judge relies upon his intuition to determine whether or not someone is lying. Even when faced with proof beyond reasonable doubt evidence he then proceeds to place that evidence against what he terms "sensible inferences" in other words his powers to detect lying.





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From nearly 29 years experience as a District Court Judge in many jurisdictions, I am conscious that it is often difficult to know whether to believe a witness or to what extent to believe a witness.


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... and evidence needs to be related to sensible inferences. In terms of my approach and experience, I did not find the appellant a convincing witness.




This raises the question as to whether or not objective facts established by the medical profession are to be relied upon or the intuition of the judge.


Should we tolerate a human being who considers himself superior to the medical profession and their evidence despite having no medical training?







View Postunit1of2, on 28 February 2014 - 11:35 PM, said:

Where in the posting of this was it mentioned 'It's all about AT' thread? Why did you suddenly jump in and make it all about past crap about AT for??? For what purpose other than to get your personal digs in...AGAIN... FFS.... all so dam repetitive, F'ng BORING.

It should be a BANNED subject on this Forum!!


about here
not a personal dig
if thomas wants to tell porkys via wordsmithing and hopefully con the gullible then so be it
he can go do it somewhere else and try and con people or ill let them know hes full of bollocks.
wrong advice and wrong way of letting others think what he does is the right way.25 years later and hes not got anywhere and as far as lie detectors go
hes failed the best one and that in this place[and in the courts]Posted Image
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#22 User is offline   Alan Thomas 

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Posted 01 March 2014 - 08:15 AM

David why can't you focus you mind on why is and is not a lie?
or
Are you just a dumb ACC gofa?
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#23 User is offline   David Butler 

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Posted 01 March 2014 - 09:14 AM

View PostAlan Thomas, on 01 March 2014 - 08:15 AM, said:

David why can't you focus you mind on why is and is not a lie?
or
Are you just a dumb ACC gofa?


if one under took a lie detector test to ascertain the actual truth of the matter in hand Alan and one mislead the detector instead of giving an outright answer to the truth
Then does misleading which results in a negative test result then become a lie?
In my mind it is.Posted Image
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#24 User is offline   Alan Thomas 

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Posted 01 March 2014 - 12:21 PM

This thread about the merits or lack of merits of lie detection is important to the site.

However how do we compare the integrity of a CT and/or MRI scan with a lie detector test using all manner of lie detector technical equipment?

In my own case the medical profession who rely upon ct and MRI scans have been challenged by the ACC and court judges who have accused me of lying Who did not even have the benefit of lie detector equipment which even if used is very dubious pseudoscience in any event.

It would appear that the likes of David Butler would be happy with any kind of decision-making process as long as it was to my detriment. The minds of some people are a mystery to me.
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#25 User is offline   David Butler 

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Posted 01 March 2014 - 12:28 PM

View PostDavid Butler, on 01 March 2014 - 09:14 AM, said:

if one under took a lie detector test to ascertain the actual truth of the matter in hand Alan and one mislead the detector instead of giving an outright answer to the truth
Then does misleading which results in a negative test result then become a lie?
In my mind it is.Posted Image
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be quite happy to look at my stance when you answer the question placed at you in response to your wordsmithing alan

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#26 User is offline   Alan Thomas 

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Posted 01 March 2014 - 12:56 PM

View PostDavid Butler, on 01 March 2014 - 12:28 PM, said:

be quite happy to look at my stance when you answer the question placed at you in response to your wordsmithing alan

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But I never once ever misled!
Can you give a single example from original fact document?
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Posted 01 March 2014 - 02:10 PM

View PostAlan Thomas, on 01 March 2014 - 12:56 PM, said:

But I never once ever misled!
Can you give a single example from original fact document?


Thomo

Talking about original factual documents, where were yours on Court day with judge Joyce.

I really think those cases need to have a link here. They are feeling interesting losses and terribly very common mistakes made.

No evidential evidence for IA, but then one would know they were going to lose as the operation was still in a cast, when he saw the assessor. Who would ever think they would get a whole person impairment when an operation is in a cast.

It even says in the Act that the injury must be permanent and stable, and if it is not stable, it must be likely to not have complete recovery.

Mind you, the pysio who gave Thomo a letter that said he couldnt do the assessment, because of the instability etc, didnt even say enough to say if it was the injury of the right covered wrist that the cast was on, so on those grounds of no knowing what the operation was that he was supposed to have had, the ACC could win the case anyway.

Dont ask others for proof alan thomas, when you just ignore it anyway as I know full well, and you dont bother to even take evidence to Court.

What a waste of space. The outcome is obvious, or are you using these for snip and tuck, bits and pieces??

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Posted 01 March 2014 - 02:41 PM

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if one under took a lie detector test to ascertain the actual truth of the matter in hand Alan and one mislead the detector instead of giving an outright answer to the truth
Then does misleading which results in a negative test result then become a lie?
In my mind it is.Posted Image
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View PostAlan Thomas, on 01 March 2014 - 12:56 PM, said:

But I never once ever misled!
Can you give a single example from original fact document?


always the never with you alan
your reply has NOTHING to do with my query
you wernt named in the query
i never said you did this or that in the posted query
simple strait out poser to see what you stance is on misleading and lies.
altho it is VERY INTERESTING AS TS BEEN for many a year
when things place you in a jam your responses are always a defensive one as if ya done something wrong and asking f anyone knows what it is
ive said what i think on it
im sure mini gave a similar opinion recently somewhere in here
But you
You refuse and doge evade wordsmith without saying a thing

come on alan
an easy question easy to answer
either yes or no
OR ARE YOU TO AFRAID TO GIVE AN HONEST ANSWER????

whats the answer to the query alan
or do you agree that misleading is thus a LIE
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#29 User is offline   Alan Thomas 

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Posted 01 March 2014 - 02:50 PM

Mini the review hearing application was the delay of process from the previous review hearing that required the ACC To carry out the assessment within 20 days. After two years have gone by it was my view that there was a delay of process. Obviously the ACC needed to carry out an independent assessment from the time of the injury up until prior to the correct of surgery.

Mini do you think that the ACC might have been waiting for me to have my surgery so I would be no longer impaired so then they would have no liability?
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#30 User is offline   Alan Thomas 

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Posted 01 March 2014 - 02:52 PM

David are you taking the same position as the ACC and the district court judge in claiming I have somehow misled the CT and MRI scan?

Obviously if I am so skilled to be able to mislead a CT and MRI scan a lie detector test would be an absolute pushover.
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#31 User is offline   Alan Thomas 

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Posted 01 March 2014 - 02:53 PM

David I would like to know how it is possible that some kind of word smithing can deceive a CT and MRI scan. Please tell those on this site your theories and if you have exhibits to support your theories please show those as well.
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#32 User is offline   David Butler 

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Posted 01 March 2014 - 03:55 PM

View PostDavid Butler, on 01 March 2014 - 09:14 AM, said:

if one under took a lie detector test to ascertain the actual truth of the matter in hand Alan and one mislead the detector instead of giving an outright answer to the truth
Then does misleading which results in a negative test result then become a lie?
In my mind it is.Posted Image
Dave


Appears to be PROBLEMS thomas arising from you with showing an HONEST answer so we can all see which side of the fence ya on

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#33 User is offline   Alan Thomas 

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Posted 01 March 2014 - 04:36 PM

View PostDavid Butler, on 01 March 2014 - 03:55 PM, said:

Appears to be PROBLEMS thomas arising from you with showing an HONEST answer so we can all see which side of the fence ya on

dave


Your question was not a question. maybe you should write it again.
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#34 User is offline   David Butler 

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Posted 01 March 2014 - 06:21 PM

what a smart c ass prick t you are thomas
always the one to belittle the injured
your an invalid basher Thomas
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#35 User is offline   David Butler 

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Posted 01 March 2014 - 06:25 PM

View PostAlan Thomas, on 01 March 2014 - 04:36 PM, said:

Your question was not a question. maybe you should write it again.


The posting was directed at you Thomas
the second sentence is a question asked of YOU
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Posted 01 March 2014 - 07:12 PM

View PostDavid Butler, on 01 March 2014 - 06:25 PM, said:

The posting was directed at you Thomas
the second sentence is a question asked of YOU
dave

Your so called question has a double negative then does a barrel role.

Try again with a straight question that doesn't come preloaded
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#37 User is offline   David Butler 

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Posted 01 March 2014 - 07:26 PM

Preloaded
whatever do you mean Alan
Does you most esteemed stance to the query preload you yourself and leave you in a bad position
havnt asked to partake in boozy drinking before you answer
me thinks ya cant handle sweet f all in a debate when the odds are stacked against youPosted Image

when ya cornered
LOOK AT YOU
You look an absolute fool / evasive little man who cant handle himself when ya not in control
Are you worried that the query may concern / embarrass you alan
shouldnt as do your not named in it,
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Posted 01 March 2014 - 07:38 PM

View PostDavid Butler, on 01 March 2014 - 09:14 AM, said:

if one under took a lie detector test to ascertain the actual truth of the matter in hand Alan
Properly formed questions are essential otherwise a lie detector machine delivers inconclusive wiggly lines

and one mislead the detector
Lie detectors are designed with a cannot be misled. There is either a positive reaction, no reaction at all or negative reaction.

instead of giving an outright answer to the truth
It is not possible to give an outright answer to the truth. This is where you have a preloaded situation where by you are anticipating what truth actually is. The person conduct a lie detector test does not determine the outcome of the lie detection.


Then does misleading which results in a negative test result then become a lie?
When a lies told that results in a positive test that shows a lie has been told.


In my mind it is.Posted Image
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Perhaps you were trying to ask if withholding information is a lie.
If that is what you are asking I would say it would depend as to whether or not there was an intention to deceive.
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Posted 01 March 2014 - 08:06 PM

course its possible to give an outright answer to the truth alan'
For most of us=EXCEPT SEEMINGLY you Thomas
ya quite the lad at it from your shown documented deeds



its either truth =true or false =bullshit therefore misleading aint the the=truth so its a lie
especially pertains to and in acc fraud cases /ac appeal courts documents i been reading mate

your really showing your colors to nite thomas
and another wordsmithed reply above from you
intention t deceive
if ya tell a misleader then whats that
it deceiving ya part
which is what the judge's said you do and did
your philosophies seem a tad like the radicals freedom of speech blogs link i just placed in here before
ya not related in mind thoughts there at all are ya alan?
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Posted 01 March 2014 - 08:18 PM

The surgeon says I can not work with my broken wrist.
The ACC say I can

Will a lie detector show one of them to have lied?
Do both believe they have told the truth?
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