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Posted 21 March 2004 - 08:49 AM
Yes I can agree with all that is said in this article.
Acc sent me on one of these course run by alpha consultants.
The course was an insult to our intelligence and we were treated like brain dead morons.
The course i was on had ten people and the youngest was 28 with the oldest being 60.
The person taking the course treated us all like 15 year old kids with absolutely no life skills what so ever and appeared to have no idea that once we get to the ripe old age most of us were that we would have some idea of how to apply for a job.
The fact we were injured was totally ignored.
My opinion of these courses are they are a complete waste of space time and effort and the only ones who benifit are the people taking them.
I might also add a good percentage of the people working for the people running this type of bullshit course are ex acc employees.
cheers
Acc sent me on one of these course run by alpha consultants.
The course was an insult to our intelligence and we were treated like brain dead morons.
The course i was on had ten people and the youngest was 28 with the oldest being 60.
The person taking the course treated us all like 15 year old kids with absolutely no life skills what so ever and appeared to have no idea that once we get to the ripe old age most of us were that we would have some idea of how to apply for a job.
The fact we were injured was totally ignored.
My opinion of these courses are they are a complete waste of space time and effort and the only ones who benifit are the people taking them.
I might also add a good percentage of the people working for the people running this type of bullshit course are ex acc employees.
cheers
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Posted 21 March 2004 - 09:24 AM
Nope!,, ACC has not rehabilitated me in the last 10yrs, I`m stuffed now,
and I`ll be damned if they`re going to get away with it.
The article about ACCs illegal work programme summarises the lengths
they will go (all-be-it) illegal, to remove claimants from their books, and
should be opposed with vigour by all forum members.
and I`ll be damned if they`re going to get away with it.
The article about ACCs illegal work programme summarises the lengths
they will go (all-be-it) illegal, to remove claimants from their books, and
should be opposed with vigour by all forum members.
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Posted 21 March 2004 - 09:33 AM
Glad to see this topic come up as I have just had word from my Case Manager that this is what I will be required to do when she cals me back to NZ.
I would think at my "Mature" age I would fit into the category of "Difficult" to employ on age alone. My skills are fine but it is hard to compete with younger people when you are not injured let alone when you are.
Anymore info on this Return to Work pressure cooker courses etc would be very helpful to me.
Thanx Stumpy
I would think at my "Mature" age I would fit into the category of "Difficult" to employ on age alone. My skills are fine but it is hard to compete with younger people when you are not injured let alone when you are.
Anymore info on this Return to Work pressure cooker courses etc would be very helpful to me.
Thanx Stumpy
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Posted 21 March 2004 - 10:13 AM
ACCIDENT COMPENSATION CORPORATION
New Zealand Disability Strategy Implementation Work Plan
1 July 2003 – 30 June 2004
10. Return to Work Programmes
Description
ACC is currently looking at ways to encourage labour force participation for long-term significantly disabled claimants who because of their injury would not otherwise be likely to obtain mainstream employment.
ACC has commissioned work from the Alan Bean Centre to examine strategies to assist these claimants back into work.
3. EEO and Good Employer Practices
Description
ACC operates a personnel policy that follows the principle of being a good employer and meets the obligations of Part VI of the State Services Act 1988. This includes an equal opportunities programme, the impartial selection of qualified personnel and the recognition of the employment needs of people with disabilities.
A Merit Award was presented to ACC in the Mainstream Employer of the Year Award 2002 in recognition of its support of employees with disabilities.
Desired Outcome
ACC is able to create a workplace that is inclusive and enables every employee to develop his or her potential.
Links to Strategy Objective and Action
Provide opportunities in employment and economic development for disabled people – action 4.9.
Foster an aware and responsive public service – action 6.2.
Outcome Measures and Timeframes
ACC’s Human Resources department will be undertaking a review of HR Policy during 2003/04 period. This review will consider any amendments that may be required to ensure ACC continues to meet its commitment to the Disability Strategy.
4. Appointment of Rehabilitation Advisor
Description
The Rehabilitation Advisor is responsible for ensuring that ACC staff have access to consistent, timely, quality rehabilitation advice to enable them to achieve ACC’s strategic objectives.
The Rehabilitation Advisor provides support in the development of operational and strategic policy relating to claimant rehabilitation and where appropriate include a disability perspective during the consultation phase.
Desired Outcome
ACC staff will be able to seek advice from the Rehabilitation Advisor on issues that impact on people with disabilities.
Appropriate recognition of disability issues will be included the policy development process.
Desired Outcome
Return to work programmes targeted at long term significantly disabled claimants will assist claimants realise their potential, regain their confidence and assist with finding suitable meaningful employment.
Links to Strategy Objective and Action
Provide opportunities in employment and economic development for disabled people – action 4.1.
Outcome Measures and Timeframes
Proposals for options aimed at return to work programmes for long-term significantly disabled claimants to be submitted for consideration by December 2003.
http://www.google.co.nz/search?q=cache:LLL...&hl=en&ie=UTF-8
New Zealand Disability Strategy Implementation Work Plan
1 July 2003 – 30 June 2004
10. Return to Work Programmes
Description
ACC is currently looking at ways to encourage labour force participation for long-term significantly disabled claimants who because of their injury would not otherwise be likely to obtain mainstream employment.
ACC has commissioned work from the Alan Bean Centre to examine strategies to assist these claimants back into work.
3. EEO and Good Employer Practices
Description
ACC operates a personnel policy that follows the principle of being a good employer and meets the obligations of Part VI of the State Services Act 1988. This includes an equal opportunities programme, the impartial selection of qualified personnel and the recognition of the employment needs of people with disabilities.
A Merit Award was presented to ACC in the Mainstream Employer of the Year Award 2002 in recognition of its support of employees with disabilities.
Desired Outcome
ACC is able to create a workplace that is inclusive and enables every employee to develop his or her potential.
Links to Strategy Objective and Action
Provide opportunities in employment and economic development for disabled people – action 4.9.
Foster an aware and responsive public service – action 6.2.
Outcome Measures and Timeframes
ACC’s Human Resources department will be undertaking a review of HR Policy during 2003/04 period. This review will consider any amendments that may be required to ensure ACC continues to meet its commitment to the Disability Strategy.
4. Appointment of Rehabilitation Advisor
Description
The Rehabilitation Advisor is responsible for ensuring that ACC staff have access to consistent, timely, quality rehabilitation advice to enable them to achieve ACC’s strategic objectives.
The Rehabilitation Advisor provides support in the development of operational and strategic policy relating to claimant rehabilitation and where appropriate include a disability perspective during the consultation phase.
Desired Outcome
ACC staff will be able to seek advice from the Rehabilitation Advisor on issues that impact on people with disabilities.
Appropriate recognition of disability issues will be included the policy development process.
Desired Outcome
Return to work programmes targeted at long term significantly disabled claimants will assist claimants realise their potential, regain their confidence and assist with finding suitable meaningful employment.
Links to Strategy Objective and Action
Provide opportunities in employment and economic development for disabled people – action 4.1.
Outcome Measures and Timeframes
Proposals for options aimed at return to work programmes for long-term significantly disabled claimants to be submitted for consideration by December 2003.
http://www.google.co.nz/search?q=cache:LLL...&hl=en&ie=UTF-8
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Posted 21 March 2004 - 06:20 PM
Hi Down
Well thats a bloody joke isn`t it.
Meaningful employment,I say rubbish to that, and
for years ACC didn`t give a stuff about rehab, well for
some of us older folk who`ve been seriously burned
by those crettins, the whole thing is one gigantic
fraudulent cock up!.
Well thats a bloody joke isn`t it.
Meaningful employment,I say rubbish to that, and
for years ACC didn`t give a stuff about rehab, well for
some of us older folk who`ve been seriously burned
by those crettins, the whole thing is one gigantic
fraudulent cock up!.
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Posted 21 March 2004 - 06:39 PM
thanks down for that Ive just got am ideal place to put that.
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In regard to your wish to attend Polytech, which you advise you could only do with financial assistance; we regret that we are unable to assist in your situation as if you wish to improve your employment possibilities beyond pre-accident level, this must be considered your personal choice and responsibility. Case manager Mr D. J. Lamond 26 May 1988
"If the right to be heard is to be a real right which is worth anything, it must carry with it a right in the accused man to know the case which is made against him. He must know what evidence has been given and what statements have been made affecting him and then he must be given a fair opportunity to correct or contradict them. .... It follows, of course that the judge or whoever has to adjudicate must not hear evidence or receive representations from one side behind the back of others.The court will not require whether the evidence or representations did work to his prejudice. Sufficient that they might do so. The court will not go into the likelihood ofprejudice. The risk of it is enough."Lord Denning [1962] A.C. at page 337.
In Escoigne Properties Ltd v Inland Revenue Commissioners [1958] AC 549 Lord Denning said at pp 566:
"Thus one of the best ways, I find, ofunderstanding a statute is to take some specific which, by common consent, are intended to be covered by it. I can say at once: "Yes, that is the sort ofthing Parliament intended to "cover". The reason is not far to seek. When the draftsman is drawing the Act, he has in mind particular instances which he wishes to cover. He frames aformula which he hopes will embrace them all with precision. But the formula is as unintelligible as a mathematical formula to anyone except experts: and even then they have to know what the symbols mean. To make it intelligible, you must know the sort of thing that Parliament had in mind. So you have resort to particular instances to gather the meaning. "
"If the right to be heard is to be a real right which is worth anything, it must carry with it a right in the accused man to know the case which is made against him. He must know what evidence has been given and what statements have been made affecting him and then he must be given a fair opportunity to correct or contradict them. .... It follows, of course that the judge or whoever has to adjudicate must not hear evidence or receive representations from one side behind the back of others.The court will not require whether the evidence or representations did work to his prejudice. Sufficient that they might do so. The court will not go into the likelihood ofprejudice. The risk of it is enough."Lord Denning [1962] A.C. at page 337.
In Escoigne Properties Ltd v Inland Revenue Commissioners [1958] AC 549 Lord Denning said at pp 566:
"Thus one of the best ways, I find, ofunderstanding a statute is to take some specific which, by common consent, are intended to be covered by it. I can say at once: "Yes, that is the sort ofthing Parliament intended to "cover". The reason is not far to seek. When the draftsman is drawing the Act, he has in mind particular instances which he wishes to cover. He frames aformula which he hopes will embrace them all with precision. But the formula is as unintelligible as a mathematical formula to anyone except experts: and even then they have to know what the symbols mean. To make it intelligible, you must know the sort of thing that Parliament had in mind. So you have resort to particular instances to gather the meaning. "
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Posted 21 March 2004 - 06:54 PM
Here is the Agenda for the 6 week work prep course run by Alpha consultants.
My scanner has died so will type it out, please excuse typo's.
my comments are in brackets.
The Staff of @lpha consultants Ltd would like to welcome you to our Work Preperation Programme.
If you have any questions regarding any aspects of the course, we are very happy to help in any way we can. (refused to divulge the cost of the course when asked)
We hope you find this course interesting, fullfilling and motivating.
WEEK ONE:
Introductions to facilitators/s and course ground rules and expectations.
Pre course Questionaires.
Pain assessment. (huh pain is in your head get over it)
Daily activity with Physiotherapist. (a course put together for general fitness with no idea of anyones particular injuries and quite useless to most. e.g. pushups with a buggered shoulder.)
Transferable Skills/ Initial Occupational Assessments.
Job Options.
Computer Training (a half day course which told everyone how to turn the computer on, and the inside workings on display of an old 486 with half the bits missing)
WEEK TWO
Pain Management Week with Pain Management Specialist and Occupational Therapist.
(we learnt that we can overcome the pain barrier and its mostly in your head. WORK THROUGH IT)
WEEK THREE
Health and wellbeing week
Re-injury Prevention.
Guest speakers (this must have been so riveting i have forgotten who they were)
Personal Development. (get out and get a job)
WEEK FOUR
Pre Employment Preperation Week
Guest Speakers and Various activities
(The activities had us walking the streets to find various objects such as bird feathers, paper bags rocks etc. The winner got a bar of chocolate. Should have been named pre school week)
WEEK FIVE
Putting Theory into Practice Week.
(graduation from pre-school to primary school)
WEEK SIX
Work Trials/ Work Experience.
(lets all become street sweepers)
Thats basically what the six weeks entails.
In my opinion the value of the course was NIL.
Pain levels at end of the course had escalated severely.
My opinion is to avoid this type of rubish if at all possible.
cheers
billybob
P.S. The person taking this particular course i was on was an ex acc employee.
My scanner has died so will type it out, please excuse typo's.
my comments are in brackets.
The Staff of @lpha consultants Ltd would like to welcome you to our Work Preperation Programme.
If you have any questions regarding any aspects of the course, we are very happy to help in any way we can. (refused to divulge the cost of the course when asked)
We hope you find this course interesting, fullfilling and motivating.
WEEK ONE:
Introductions to facilitators/s and course ground rules and expectations.
Pre course Questionaires.
Pain assessment. (huh pain is in your head get over it)
Daily activity with Physiotherapist. (a course put together for general fitness with no idea of anyones particular injuries and quite useless to most. e.g. pushups with a buggered shoulder.)
Transferable Skills/ Initial Occupational Assessments.
Job Options.
Computer Training (a half day course which told everyone how to turn the computer on, and the inside workings on display of an old 486 with half the bits missing)
WEEK TWO
Pain Management Week with Pain Management Specialist and Occupational Therapist.
(we learnt that we can overcome the pain barrier and its mostly in your head. WORK THROUGH IT)
WEEK THREE
Health and wellbeing week
Re-injury Prevention.
Guest speakers (this must have been so riveting i have forgotten who they were)
Personal Development. (get out and get a job)
WEEK FOUR
Pre Employment Preperation Week
Guest Speakers and Various activities
(The activities had us walking the streets to find various objects such as bird feathers, paper bags rocks etc. The winner got a bar of chocolate. Should have been named pre school week)
WEEK FIVE
Putting Theory into Practice Week.
(graduation from pre-school to primary school)
WEEK SIX
Work Trials/ Work Experience.
(lets all become street sweepers)
Thats basically what the six weeks entails.
In my opinion the value of the course was NIL.
Pain levels at end of the course had escalated severely.
My opinion is to avoid this type of rubish if at all possible.
cheers
billybob
P.S. The person taking this particular course i was on was an ex acc employee.
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Posted 21 March 2004 - 08:04 PM
Greetings,
Rehab... 1978 I got the chop... no rehab of any kind...
NOW... that I have had ERC reinstated...July 03... and back pay still not sorted....
CM wants to put me thru assessments... Orthopedic and a Neurologist... and maybe a psychiatrist
...
Stated reason is not to get me back to work... but to see what, if anything can be
re rehab of my back injuries... as I have not had the benefits of this from ACC in all these years....
#$@%*&#@*(&^^%$#.....
... Its way to damn late to be starting this now... for the last 25 years I have done all the rehab possible for myself at my own expense... and the only thing that helps now is the chiropractic adjustment ...
I suppose I must co operate... Specialists of my choice...
Should be interesting... and I am more than willing to learn more re my problem...
providing its relevant... may need some help with these "processes"...
This does pose the question.... Why with all the Med evidence available... which the court up held... is this nessecary now????
TOMCAT
Rehab... 1978 I got the chop... no rehab of any kind...
NOW... that I have had ERC reinstated...July 03... and back pay still not sorted....
CM wants to put me thru assessments... Orthopedic and a Neurologist... and maybe a psychiatrist
... Stated reason is not to get me back to work... but to see what, if anything can be
re rehab of my back injuries... as I have not had the benefits of this from ACC in all these years....
#$@%*&#@*(&^^%$#.....
... Its way to damn late to be starting this now... for the last 25 years I have done all the rehab possible for myself at my own expense... and the only thing that helps now is the chiropractic adjustment ... I suppose I must co operate... Specialists of my choice...
Should be interesting... and I am more than willing to learn more re my problem...
providing its relevant... may need some help with these "processes"...
This does pose the question.... Why with all the Med evidence available... which the court up held... is this nessecary now????
TOMCAT
IT IS NOT WISE TO STOMP ON THE SLEEPING TIGERS TAIL.
THATS THE WAKE UP CALL FOR DINNER
THATS THE WAKE UP CALL FOR DINNER
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Posted 21 March 2004 - 10:19 PM
Tomcat it is time to throw a spanner into the works
1972 Act.
114. Assessment of permanent incapacity---(1) In any case where a person suffers personal injury by accident in respect of which he has cover does not completely recover from the impact due to the accident, as soon as the commission considers that (as far as the consequences of the injury are concerned) his medical condition is stabilised and all practicable steeps have been taken towards his retraining and rehabilitation, the Commission shall review his case and make an assessment in writing of --
The nature and extent of his permanent incapacity; and
The amount to be paid to him thereafter (subject to subsection (4) of this section), being 80 percent of his permanent loss of earnings capacity (if any) due to the injury, or any greater weekly amount that may for the time being be payable to him in consequence of the injury in accordance with this section 116 of this Act.
(2) In any case were a person dies as a result of personal injury by accident in respect of which he has cover under this Act before the commission has made an assessment under paragraph (
of subsection (1) of this section of the amount to be paid to him, if any earnings related compensation is payable under section 123 of this Act to the widow or widower or any child or dependant of the deceased person, the commission shall forthwith make an assessment in writing of the amount that would be thereafter be paid to him if he had not died but had suffered a permanent total loss of earning capacity and the assessment had been made under paragraph ( of subsection (1) of this section.
(3) A copy of the assessment shall be given, --
In any case where it is made under subsection (1) of this section, to the injured person:
In an case where it is made under subsection (2) of this section, to the person to whom the initial payments of compensation under section 123 of this Act will be made.
(4) The Governor-General may from time to time, by order in Council, specify the percentage by which amounts ten payable in respect of permanent loss of earning capacity and fixed by or derived from an assessment under this section shall increase. Any such Order of Council may be made so as to come into force on the day to be specified therein in that behalf, being the date of the order of council or any other date, whether before or after the date thereof.
(5) After the date of the assessment, the earnings related compensation payable to the person shall not be reduced by reason of any increase in his earning capacity, but the Commission may make a further assessment under subsection (1) of this section if the condition of the person has deteriorated as a result of the injury since the time of the last assessment.
Read it carefully and the assesments are to alter this. they want to alter a earlier decision (not to supply rehabilitation) section 350 to 400 of 2001 Act cover this and this is what your assesment come under.
Doppelganger
1972 Act.
114. Assessment of permanent incapacity---(1) In any case where a person suffers personal injury by accident in respect of which he has cover does not completely recover from the impact due to the accident, as soon as the commission considers that (as far as the consequences of the injury are concerned) his medical condition is stabilised and all practicable steeps have been taken towards his retraining and rehabilitation, the Commission shall review his case and make an assessment in writing of --
The nature and extent of his permanent incapacity; and
The amount to be paid to him thereafter (subject to subsection (4) of this section), being 80 percent of his permanent loss of earnings capacity (if any) due to the injury, or any greater weekly amount that may for the time being be payable to him in consequence of the injury in accordance with this section 116 of this Act.
(2) In any case were a person dies as a result of personal injury by accident in respect of which he has cover under this Act before the commission has made an assessment under paragraph (
of subsection (1) of this section of the amount to be paid to him, if any earnings related compensation is payable under section 123 of this Act to the widow or widower or any child or dependant of the deceased person, the commission shall forthwith make an assessment in writing of the amount that would be thereafter be paid to him if he had not died but had suffered a permanent total loss of earning capacity and the assessment had been made under paragraph ( of subsection (1) of this section.(3) A copy of the assessment shall be given, --
In any case where it is made under subsection (1) of this section, to the injured person:
In an case where it is made under subsection (2) of this section, to the person to whom the initial payments of compensation under section 123 of this Act will be made.
(4) The Governor-General may from time to time, by order in Council, specify the percentage by which amounts ten payable in respect of permanent loss of earning capacity and fixed by or derived from an assessment under this section shall increase. Any such Order of Council may be made so as to come into force on the day to be specified therein in that behalf, being the date of the order of council or any other date, whether before or after the date thereof.
(5) After the date of the assessment, the earnings related compensation payable to the person shall not be reduced by reason of any increase in his earning capacity, but the Commission may make a further assessment under subsection (1) of this section if the condition of the person has deteriorated as a result of the injury since the time of the last assessment.
Read it carefully and the assesments are to alter this. they want to alter a earlier decision (not to supply rehabilitation) section 350 to 400 of 2001 Act cover this and this is what your assesment come under.
Doppelganger
In regard to your wish to attend Polytech, which you advise you could only do with financial assistance; we regret that we are unable to assist in your situation as if you wish to improve your employment possibilities beyond pre-accident level, this must be considered your personal choice and responsibility. Case manager Mr D. J. Lamond 26 May 1988
"If the right to be heard is to be a real right which is worth anything, it must carry with it a right in the accused man to know the case which is made against him. He must know what evidence has been given and what statements have been made affecting him and then he must be given a fair opportunity to correct or contradict them. .... It follows, of course that the judge or whoever has to adjudicate must not hear evidence or receive representations from one side behind the back of others.The court will not require whether the evidence or representations did work to his prejudice. Sufficient that they might do so. The court will not go into the likelihood ofprejudice. The risk of it is enough."Lord Denning [1962] A.C. at page 337.
In Escoigne Properties Ltd v Inland Revenue Commissioners [1958] AC 549 Lord Denning said at pp 566:
"Thus one of the best ways, I find, ofunderstanding a statute is to take some specific which, by common consent, are intended to be covered by it. I can say at once: "Yes, that is the sort ofthing Parliament intended to "cover". The reason is not far to seek. When the draftsman is drawing the Act, he has in mind particular instances which he wishes to cover. He frames aformula which he hopes will embrace them all with precision. But the formula is as unintelligible as a mathematical formula to anyone except experts: and even then they have to know what the symbols mean. To make it intelligible, you must know the sort of thing that Parliament had in mind. So you have resort to particular instances to gather the meaning. "
"If the right to be heard is to be a real right which is worth anything, it must carry with it a right in the accused man to know the case which is made against him. He must know what evidence has been given and what statements have been made affecting him and then he must be given a fair opportunity to correct or contradict them. .... It follows, of course that the judge or whoever has to adjudicate must not hear evidence or receive representations from one side behind the back of others.The court will not require whether the evidence or representations did work to his prejudice. Sufficient that they might do so. The court will not go into the likelihood ofprejudice. The risk of it is enough."Lord Denning [1962] A.C. at page 337.
In Escoigne Properties Ltd v Inland Revenue Commissioners [1958] AC 549 Lord Denning said at pp 566:
"Thus one of the best ways, I find, ofunderstanding a statute is to take some specific which, by common consent, are intended to be covered by it. I can say at once: "Yes, that is the sort ofthing Parliament intended to "cover". The reason is not far to seek. When the draftsman is drawing the Act, he has in mind particular instances which he wishes to cover. He frames aformula which he hopes will embrace them all with precision. But the formula is as unintelligible as a mathematical formula to anyone except experts: and even then they have to know what the symbols mean. To make it intelligible, you must know the sort of thing that Parliament had in mind. So you have resort to particular instances to gather the meaning. "
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Posted 22 March 2004 - 11:05 AM
Hi Doppleganger,
What happens if you don't come undr the '72 Act? Where in the current act does it say you have to attend their sham courses? I would like to know as I can see me staring down the barrel of having to do one of these "courses" soon.
Stumpy
What happens if you don't come undr the '72 Act? Where in the current act does it say you have to attend their sham courses? I would like to know as I can see me staring down the barrel of having to do one of these "courses" soon.
Stumpy
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Posted 22 March 2004 - 04:04 PM
Stumpy,
What act did your accident happen in and then lets look at it. the 1982 had a similar section .
1992 Acts onward don't but in each act rehabilitation must be supplied when you couldn't return to work due to the injury.
I wil probably never have one of these because as I am employes (self) and the cause will not be beneficial to me or the corporation.
I do believe that with support that most of us can do some type of work and earn an income. the arrogrant of many case managers do not allow the injured to experiment with what the injured can do or not do.
There are some that will not work at all and this is due to physical mental and social injuries that the corporation is promoting with there courses like the one described above
Doppelganger
What act did your accident happen in and then lets look at it. the 1982 had a similar section .
1992 Acts onward don't but in each act rehabilitation must be supplied when you couldn't return to work due to the injury.
I wil probably never have one of these because as I am employes (self) and the cause will not be beneficial to me or the corporation.
I do believe that with support that most of us can do some type of work and earn an income. the arrogrant of many case managers do not allow the injured to experiment with what the injured can do or not do.
There are some that will not work at all and this is due to physical mental and social injuries that the corporation is promoting with there courses like the one described above
Doppelganger
In regard to your wish to attend Polytech, which you advise you could only do with financial assistance; we regret that we are unable to assist in your situation as if you wish to improve your employment possibilities beyond pre-accident level, this must be considered your personal choice and responsibility. Case manager Mr D. J. Lamond 26 May 1988
"If the right to be heard is to be a real right which is worth anything, it must carry with it a right in the accused man to know the case which is made against him. He must know what evidence has been given and what statements have been made affecting him and then he must be given a fair opportunity to correct or contradict them. .... It follows, of course that the judge or whoever has to adjudicate must not hear evidence or receive representations from one side behind the back of others.The court will not require whether the evidence or representations did work to his prejudice. Sufficient that they might do so. The court will not go into the likelihood ofprejudice. The risk of it is enough."Lord Denning [1962] A.C. at page 337.
In Escoigne Properties Ltd v Inland Revenue Commissioners [1958] AC 549 Lord Denning said at pp 566:
"Thus one of the best ways, I find, ofunderstanding a statute is to take some specific which, by common consent, are intended to be covered by it. I can say at once: "Yes, that is the sort ofthing Parliament intended to "cover". The reason is not far to seek. When the draftsman is drawing the Act, he has in mind particular instances which he wishes to cover. He frames aformula which he hopes will embrace them all with precision. But the formula is as unintelligible as a mathematical formula to anyone except experts: and even then they have to know what the symbols mean. To make it intelligible, you must know the sort of thing that Parliament had in mind. So you have resort to particular instances to gather the meaning. "
"If the right to be heard is to be a real right which is worth anything, it must carry with it a right in the accused man to know the case which is made against him. He must know what evidence has been given and what statements have been made affecting him and then he must be given a fair opportunity to correct or contradict them. .... It follows, of course that the judge or whoever has to adjudicate must not hear evidence or receive representations from one side behind the back of others.The court will not require whether the evidence or representations did work to his prejudice. Sufficient that they might do so. The court will not go into the likelihood ofprejudice. The risk of it is enough."Lord Denning [1962] A.C. at page 337.
In Escoigne Properties Ltd v Inland Revenue Commissioners [1958] AC 549 Lord Denning said at pp 566:
"Thus one of the best ways, I find, ofunderstanding a statute is to take some specific which, by common consent, are intended to be covered by it. I can say at once: "Yes, that is the sort ofthing Parliament intended to "cover". The reason is not far to seek. When the draftsman is drawing the Act, he has in mind particular instances which he wishes to cover. He frames aformula which he hopes will embrace them all with precision. But the formula is as unintelligible as a mathematical formula to anyone except experts: and even then they have to know what the symbols mean. To make it intelligible, you must know the sort of thing that Parliament had in mind. So you have resort to particular instances to gather the meaning. "
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Posted 22 March 2004 - 08:01 PM
hahaha IDB
I have one as good as bart simpson.
I was talking to dopple and accme on chat last night and typed into a search engine acc guidlines for assessors.
The top pick came up as a site about vegetables.
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billybob
I have one as good as bart simpson.
I was talking to dopple and accme on chat last night and typed into a search engine acc guidlines for assessors.
The top pick came up as a site about vegetables.
cheers
billybob
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Posted 08 July 2008 - 06:15 AM
re post #1
Was just reading throught this article (media clip) and would like to know if anyone can give me an update on the Group mentioned - "ASSNZ"
5000 plus members throughout New Zealand
Was just reading throught this article (media clip) and would like to know if anyone can give me an update on the Group mentioned - "ASSNZ"
5000 plus members throughout New Zealand
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