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help on what to do about being on acc for 9 years

#1 User is offline   justin16 

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Posted 20 May 2015 - 06:07 PM

good evening i have had a back operation in 2006 for the l1 s5 disectomy and decompression of s1 nerve root after op i had a cfl leak for a few days everthing came right until 6 months and my legs gave way and i fell in a heap pain down my right side and all the way to my knee had a lumbar epidural steroid injection as it was getting done i told the guy i could feel it he told me that i couldnt because he had num the area my right and left leg were num for 3 weeks was starting to get bad headaches 1 2 times a month did what acc need to do with seeing all their people then finally in 2013 i get a report saying i am considerably disabled by mechanical and neuropathic low back pain and a secondary chronic regional pain syndrome with the latter the predominant cause of disability did everything he asked still no help and gose on to say apart from these suggestions i do not believe there are any other rehabilitation option that are likely to make a diffrence to me the only outcome is lifelong disability so for the last 2 years i have done activity focus program with small gains but still cant put socks or shoes on and house work lawns and washing bending to the ground now acc wants to see what jobs i can do im seeing david hartshorn next month for me nothing has changed i havent got better in fact i have gotten worse i get headaches at least 2 x a week my pain on my right side now gose all the way to my toe and sometimes i cant walk on my right side and sleeping is still like 4 to 6 hours a night because of the pain any advise would be great all so do you think im intitled to a lump sum i went for one in 2009 and they gave me 10% but that was before i new how bad i am
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Posted 02 June 2015 - 09:10 PM

hi Justin

Sorry to hear about all your troubles which it seems were caused by Medical misadventure.

You say you have a letter from ACC which states that you are disabled for life, so what are they doing sending you on an IOA assessment>?]

They then will send you to a toady assessor who will find some jobs that he decides you can do.




you really need professional advice. What area are you in?

There are advocates out there who may help you

Do you get on with the GP?

He needs to know just what ACC are trying to do to you.

.Hartshorne is a toady and you wont get much good from him

I suggest you have a trip to your Specialist if possible , your GP can refer you and get a letter stating what things you are able and unable to do and what levels the pain is at.

you clearly are not fit for any fulltime work.

You will have to go along with their little game or else they will make you non--compliant and cut your Weekly compo.

I surmise you are receiving ERC??

ALWAYS record every conversation and assessment- you can do it covertly and take a friend along and they can record it all.

Take notes and take along all your Medical info.

Ask the Case manager for a copy of your file which they are bound under Privacy rego to supply you with and ask for the letter of referral, or a copy to this assessor so that you know what is going on.

come back and we shall try and help but we can only make suggestions.

'good luck

Sparrow
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Posted 02 June 2015 - 09:14 PM

You can ask for a re-assessment of your lump sum as well
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Posted 04 June 2015 - 09:46 AM

please record Hartshorne's appointment

and watch him like a hawk if he wants to do any neurological pin pricking to examine sensory loss


HE STABBED ME WITH A DIRTY PIN.........LIED....THEN ADMITTED IT.......



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Posted 04 June 2015 - 09:44 PM

If any assessor pulls out a dirty pin and proceeds to use it REFUSE to let him.

/this is not good professional practice and you have the right to ask him to use a sterilised implement.

Du Plessis does this and produces a tin of dirty pins out of his pocket

.I know of a case where a person got infected from his dirty pin.

Always refuse their approach with a dirty pin!

It is your right



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Posted 05 June 2015 - 11:28 AM

View PostSparrow, on 02 June 2015 - 09:10 PM, said:

hi Justin

Sorry to hear about all your troubles which it seems were caused by Medical misadventure.

You say you have a letter from ACC which states that you are disabled for life, so what are they doing sending you on an IOA assessment>?]

They then will send you to a toady assessor who will find some jobs that he decides you can do.




you really need professional advice. What area are you in?

There are advocates out there who may help you

Do you get on with the GP?

He needs to know just what ACC are trying to do to you.

.Hartshorne is a toady and you wont get much good from him

I suggest you have a trip to your Specialist if possible , your GP can refer you and get a letter stating what things you are able and unable to do and what levels the pain is at.

you clearly are not fit for any fulltime work.

You will have to go along with their little game or else they will make you non--compliant and cut your Weekly compo.

I surmise you are receiving ERC??

ALWAYS record every conversation and assessment- you can do it covertly and take a friend along and they can record it all.

Take notes and take along all your Medical info.

Ask the Case manager for a copy of your file which they are bound under Privacy rego to supply you with and ask for the letter of referral, or a copy to this assessor so that you know what is going on.

come back and we shall try and help but we can only make suggestions.

'good luck

Sparrow

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Posted 05 June 2015 - 11:38 AM

SPARROW


if someone else records...its inadmissible in court



YOU, THE INJURED PERSON MUST DO THE RECORDING....

THEN THERE IS NO DISPUTE, AND IT WILL BE ACCEPTED AS EVIDENCE.....


this has just been through court.....so it is very recent, and is the only legal way to have evidence accepted....
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Posted 05 June 2015 - 11:41 AM

http://accforum.org/...1-case-manager/


justin 16....

please have a read of this

it may be helpful???

go well....
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Posted 05 June 2015 - 12:22 PM

thank you sparrow for your help first i live in hastings hawkes bay i have a letter from dr david prestage from 9 of may 2013 in his summary and assessment has said who is considerably disabled by mechaical and neuropathic low back pain and a secondary chonic regional pain syndrone with the latter the predominant cause of disability there is no objective evidence of radiculopathy further surgical intervention is not warranted at the end of summary and assessment he says apart from these suggestions i do not belive there are any other rehabilitation options that are likely to make a difference to mr pomana the only other ocome is lifelong disability and he has the choice whether he wants to try to do something about this i have asked my case manger about why and she said its just to say if anything has changed and i need to have a update i get along with my doc i dont have a specialist only the ones acc has sent me to get reports i have asked acc for all my reports for this injury as i no that acc dose not give all the info yes i am getting erc and yes i am taking a friend and will be taking a voice recorder as when i first was on acc my partner and i went to see a specialist and he said off the record no more ops and when it came to the report he never put it in and couldnt prove it took another 4 to 5 years until david prestage wrote it on paper so still learning i do everything acc asked me to do i have nothing to hide and my partner and i know im getting worse every year and i still cant put my own socks and shoes on till this day ever since 2005 for my doc she trying to help but she happy with what acc doing at this stage just because she knows if i make to much of it they could stop my payments so my next step is to find a good specailist ?? my case manger is great i have no probs with her i only got her about 5 months ago but she gives me what i ask for and she is happy to do so just stuck at the mo it seems acc dont no what to do with me and for the last 3 years its like i go around and around doing the same thing i see david hartshorn this wednesday coming so should i let him no im recording or should i keep it hidden and not tell him
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Posted 05 June 2015 - 01:34 PM

you dont have to tell him you are recording...its up to you.....it is legal to record any meeting about yourself...


or if you want, you can Openly place your tape recorder on the desk but he may spazz Out about being recorded and re-shedule the meeting?


please make sure you wear a shirt with a chest pocket, as:

YOU MUST BE THE ONE TO MAKE THE RECORDING....THIS IS VITAL FOR COURT IF IT IS REQUIRED.....AS ONLY YOU CAN RECORD...NOT THE SUPPORT PERSON / PARTNER/ WIFE/ HUBBY...

have you been in touch with the local advocacy group? will send you a PM......so not to break forum rules....
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Posted 09 June 2015 - 10:01 AM

I use the Sony BX 800 recorder & it is small enough to slip into a coat pocket...hang coat on back of chair & it will still pick up & record even the slightest whisper. Fantastic gadget. No one ever knows it is there.
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Posted 10 June 2015 - 11:05 PM

well today went better than plained for starters dr david hartshorn didnt find anything new so he agrees with my 2013 report from david prestidge witch stats im not fit for work and agrees with david prestidge about pain management not pain cure and also find out my 2013 medical assessment from david prestidge said there probably isnt mechanical pain but today i had david hartshorn prosimes that there probably is some mechanical pain because i had a disc problem and surgery now this is the part that i find some what angry but we kind of guessing a little bit thats the problem with back pain its kind of largely educated guess but still kind of a guess actually whats causing the problem but the great news was that today dr david hartshorn told me that he knows for sure i have nerve pain going on with sensitivity and the coolness in your leg and the loss of movent in the leg he also wants to check my blood test dont have the report from acc about my crp and esr being slightly up still from 2013 not as high as 2013 but still up and also check my bone scan as acc didnt provide him with that as well he also thinks i need a mir scan to see if i have a infection in the disc so cant wait for the report from him
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Posted 12 June 2015 - 09:25 PM

good for you but I hope you recorded what he said as these guys often write something different in their reports

I hope he doesn't in your case. I am sorry that you are in such pain.

Have you ever tried acupuncture??



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Posted 13 June 2015 - 01:01 AM

View PostSparrow, on 12 June 2015 - 09:25 PM, said:

good for you but I hope you recorded what he said as these guys often write something different in their reports

I hope he doesn't in your case. I am sorry that you are in such pain.

Have you ever tried acupuncture??

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Posted 13 June 2015 - 01:19 AM

yes i did recorded it sparrow thank you i am a quick learner being on this page and has happened before were i hadnt record and you cant do anything plus like to thank all the people with their great advice as sometimes you feel stuck in a hard place had a listern and it is clear as anything i have tried acupuncture true chinese acupuncture and was a little sore at the start and she couldnt belive how purple i would get in my back from poor circulation as she got closer to my scar and pain area it was so painful i couldnt handle it any more the pain was incredible and would start afecting my how lower bac and down my legsmy next step is waiting for report and wondering if im intitled for a lump sum as i feel i am more than 10% as i have all this new info and with most of my right side being affected and a little on my left side now witch didnt come into account when i went for one about 5-6 years ago or should i wait
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Posted 13 June 2015 - 08:51 PM

Ask ACC to give you another IA assessment.

If your condition worsens then you can have a re-assessment.

If you are successful, don't take the lump sum, ask for it to be paid 3 monthly.

There are others on here who can help you with IA.

Are you receiving the full entitlements for Social rehab like transport help, ie a car suited to your needs, home help etc etc?

I am so sorry that the Acupuncture didn't work out. This practitioner wasn't experienced enough by the sound of it. I have been having acupuncture for over 20 yrs from a former Orthopaedic surgeon( in China and qualified in acupuncture as well), and never experienced a reaction like that.

I suggest you try another fully qualified in China, practitioner and former medical person

They seem to have a greater understanding of the body.

you can ring the NZRA, register of acupuncturists in Welly and ask for names of practitioners in your location who are well qualified.

It does cut down the need for medication for pain, if done correctly, or I have found that anyway!!

good luck in all your struggles.








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Posted 15 June 2015 - 04:06 PM

im going to go see my case manger and have a meeting about what i should be entitled to just waiting for report first was going over my notes and find this in one of my first reports so i had a L5/S1 discectomy and decompression of S1 nerve root on may 2006 with a post operatively csf leak required hospital admission for a few days and went to see D ruttenberg on 28 september 2006 recommended another mir scan as their possible a recurrent disc prolapse at scan done in november 2006 and it revealed a small paracentral disc protrusion at L5/S1 just compressing the right S1 nerve root and a large annular tear in the L5/S1 disc not knowning this till now i feel the first operation was a fail so what did he do to me in the first operation and feel he did more damage with a new annular tear and if acc new this and all the medical people i have seen ever since 2006 said nothing to me about it in other reports and saying i could have back syndrome well it this scan says i have more than back syndrome and that was back in 2006 its 2015 now dose any body have any advice on what i should do or can do
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Posted 15 June 2015 - 04:49 PM

go with the flow provide appropriate paper work to the assessors etc , be compliant to acc rquests as in the rehab they are offering as in the legislation and if not sure seek competent advice as has been repeated numerously in the past
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Posted 17 June 2015 - 07:52 PM

View PostSparrow, on 13 June 2015 - 08:51 PM, said:

Ask ACC to give you another IA assessment.

If your condition worsens then you can have a re-assessment.

If you are successful, don't take the lump sum, ask for it to be paid 3 monthly.

There are others on here who can help you with IA.

Are you receiving the full entitlements for Social rehab like transport help, ie a car suited to your needs, home help etc etc?

I am so sorry that the Acupuncture didn't work out. This practitioner wasn't experienced enough by the sound of it. I have been having acupuncture for over 20 yrs from a former Orthopaedic surgeon( in China and qualified in acupuncture as well), and never experienced a reaction like that.

I suggest you try another fully qualified in China, practitioner and former medical person

They seem to have a greater understanding of the body.

you can ring the NZRA, register of acupuncturists in Welly and ask for names of practitioners in your location who are well qualified.

It does cut down the need for medication for pain, if done correctly, or I have found that anyway!!

good luck in all your struggles.

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Posted 17 June 2015 - 08:31 PM

View PostSparrow, on 13 June 2015 - 08:51 PM, said:

Ask ACC to give you another IA assessment.

If your condition worsens then you can have a re-assessment.

If you are successful, don't take the lump sum, ask for it to be paid 3 monthly.

There are others on here who can help you with IA.

Are you receiving the full entitlements for Social rehab like transport help, ie a car suited to your needs, home help etc etc?

I am so sorry that the Acupuncture didn't work out. This practitioner wasn't experienced enough by the sound of it. I have been having acupuncture for over 20 yrs from a former Orthopaedic surgeon( in China and qualified in acupuncture as well), and never experienced a reaction like that.

I suggest you try another fully qualified in China, practitioner and former medical person

They seem to have a greater understanding of the body.

you can ring the NZRA, register of acupuncturists in Welly and ask for names of practitioners in your location who are well qualified.

It does cut down the need for medication for pain, if done correctly, or I have found that anyway!!

good luck in all your struggles.


Re: "I have been having acupuncture for over 20 yrs from a former Orthopaedic surgeon( in China and qualified in acupuncture as well), and never experienced a reaction like that."

Is acupuncture just a short term fix or does one need regular sessions of being used as a pin cushion in order for it to be effective?
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