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Just who can advise on just what my rights are with WINZ

#1 User is offline   happy1 

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Posted 19 June 2012 - 03:51 PM

Can anyone tell me who I can contact to help me know my rights where WINZ are concerned
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Posted 19 June 2012 - 05:25 PM

View Posthappy1, on 19 June 2012 - 03:51 PM, said:

Can anyone tell me who I can contact to help me know my rights where WINZ are concerned


Hope this is helpful for you...Its what I was sent by the Branch Manager when I asked her if I recieveing all of my entitlements....


Benefits are paid at set rates as specified in the legislation. There is no "breakdown" because there is no parliamentary intention of what it is "meant" to fund. It is a payment of a particular amount because a person meets the criteria to be paid it.


http://www.workandin...ct_1964-123.htm


http://www.workandin...ct_1964-463.htm
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Posted 19 June 2012 - 05:34 PM

There is a thing called a "WINZ Code of Rights". Its contents are almost identical to ACC's Code and about as useful as a remedy for abusive behaviour. Naturally, WINZ does not tell people that its Code exists. Neither does it have any review process once WINZ staff decide their colleagues did not breach the Code. If you are feeling crapped on by WINZ you should write, Freepost, to: Hon Paula Bennett MP, Minister for Social Development, Parliament Building, Wellington. One more thing, if you do write to the Minister, make sure you have no skeletons in your closet (or friends sleeping overnight) because MSD will dig up every bit of dirt it can find on you, provide it to the Minister, who will then fire it back at you, publicly and via the news media. That's how fundamental human rights are respected in NZ these days.
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Posted 19 June 2012 - 06:52 PM

Your Rights are written up on Posters around the walls at WINZ offices - sometimes I point to them during conversations with WINZ staff - they hate it! :)
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Posted 19 June 2012 - 07:24 PM

Thanks for all your responses.Excellent.Problem is from selling assets and now WINZ want to know where money was spent.

Not prepared to tell WINZ anything.My asset ,my money...... to hell with them!!

Been ripped off by ACC and not going to have WINZ poking their nose in my affairs!

Thanks heaps!!
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Posted 19 June 2012 - 07:34 PM

View Posthappy1, on 19 June 2012 - 07:24 PM, said:

Thanks for all your responses.Excellent.Problem is from selling assets and now WINZ want to know where money was spent.

Not prepared to tell WINZ anything.My asset ,my money...... to hell with them!!

Been ripped off by ACC and not going to have WINZ poking their nose in my affairs!

Thanks heaps!!


I may be corrected; WINZ can only consider income and benefits are not means tested as far as I know except any income which has to be declared. Benefits are then reduced according on income, I think you can earn around $90 before reduction.


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Posted 19 June 2012 - 08:51 PM

Read the Social Security Act 1964 - "income" (s3), "voluntary deprivation of income (s74(d)). Ask WINZ to provide you with a copy of its policy manual concerning those two topics. The basic principle is that WINZ expects people to spend their own money before asking taxpayers for it. So do the Courts.
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Posted 19 June 2012 - 08:52 PM

Re: Sale of Assets

1) You are obligated to advise WINZ of where this money went under the Social Securities Act.

Things that you might say that would mean WINZ will leave you the hell alone include:
- the money was used to pay debt
- the money is intended to be used to purchase a home that you will live in (this buys you 12 months
during which WINZ policy is to not include the money as a cash asset)

Remember that there are thresholds that allow beneficaries to hold cash assets. This will differ
depending on if you have children, a partner, etc. Cash assets will affect entitlements to food
grants and other special needs grants, TAS, Special benefit (note that Special benefit began to
phase out of use from about 2004)

Fail to answer their questions and you can expect penalities or investigations. A statement made
to WINZ carries the same weight as a statement to the police.

2) Your original question
asked to whom you could go to for advice on WINZ entitlements?

- http://bais.org.nz/ Please note that although they can
advise you via email or phone that the best way to deal with them is in person because of the
number of areas that WINZ could be letting you down. This allows them the time to advise you
properly and to make sure that you are receiving your full and correct entitlement.

- BAIS may be able to tell you who to talk to in your area

- in Wellington, phone speak to the Benefit Rights Service (04) 3892740 (temporary number due
to funding issues)

- failing these, you could always ask for your benefit to be reviewed. This is an internal
process carried out by WINZ. You would need to discuss all of your circumstances.
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Posted 19 June 2012 - 09:32 PM

View Posthappy1, on 19 June 2012 - 07:24 PM, said:

Thanks for all your responses.Excellent.Problem is from selling assets and now WINZ want to know where money was spent.

Not prepared to tell WINZ anything.My asset ,my money...... to hell with them!!

Been ripped off by ACC and not going to have WINZ poking their nose in my affairs!

Thanks heaps!!



Seriously? You do realize that it's precisely people like you and these sorts of comments that make the general public want to make it harder for people to get benefits, right?

How hard is it to understand that benefits from WINZ are funded by taxpayers? And taxpayers get pissed off when their hard earned money goes to people like yourself who seem to have plenty of 'assets' and 'money' try to rip off the system. WINZ has a duty (just like ACC) to 'poke their nose in your affairs', because they are responsible for ensuring taxpayers dollars get given to those that actually need it.

So yeah I hope they dock benefit ...
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Posted 19 June 2012 - 09:32 PM

you can just say you had to sell stuff for survival, and to pay off debts. you dont have to prove this :rolleyes:
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Posted 20 June 2012 - 06:36 AM

View Postadvocate, on 19 June 2012 - 09:32 PM, said:

Seriously? You do realize that it's precisely people like you and these sorts of comments that make the general public want to make it harder for people to get benefits, right?

How hard is it to understand that benefits from WINZ are funded by taxpayers? And taxpayers get pissed off when their hard earned money goes to people like yourself who seem to have plenty of 'assets' and 'money' try to rip off the system. WINZ has a duty (just like ACC) to 'poke their nose in your affairs', because they are responsible for ensuring taxpayers dollars get given to those that actually need it.

So yeah I hope they dock benefit ...

Gee Advocate,Its people like you who really piss me off.

Firstly ,I work part time and secondly I have been investigated by MSD,supplied sll my bank statements and answered all questions HONESTLY .

I also explained my situation as I work part time and want to get off a WINZ benefit.Now I have to repeat myself to WINZ.I`m not woried to do this just want to know my rights.

I have paid considerable tax,over my lifetime,worked hard,dont drink or smoke and spend my money very wisely.

I have been ripped off big time by ACC, and like every honest ACC victim, have a fraudulent specialist report as well as major concerns about my ACC claim being banded around my small town where

I live.I think tax payers will be more concerned about ACC ripping off clients and the money the will have be repaid,to claimants, in time to come and yes I will be one and take that money too-Eat your heart out!!



WINZ won`t dock my benefit as I can explain where I spent my money and can prove everything.I am not a bludger ,work part time,but want to be able to support myself .

So PISS OFF out of my life an go meddle in someones elses affairs .!!
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Posted 20 June 2012 - 06:43 AM

View Postunicorn57, on 19 June 2012 - 09:32 PM, said:

you can just say you had to sell stuff for survival, and to pay off debts. you dont have to prove this :rolleyes:

Thank you Unicorn,thats what I`ve done.I`m also trying to better myself and have spent considerable money to learn ,so I can do this,but have not been able to so far


As my next posting explains I have been investigated THORUGHLY by MSD,supplied all my bank statements and explained all transfers from credit card to

savings account.Yes I work part time,would love to work full time.WINZ can park outsdie my gate for as long as it suits them and all they`ll find, is I`m an honest IB like the vast majority.


I have a letter from MSD stating I am entitled to an IB but am not prepared to post that on here much as ADVOCATE would like me too.
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Posted 20 June 2012 - 11:32 AM

Before being invited to take up my present position which has me predominantly assisting disadvantaged ACC claimants I was working for a beneficiaries organisation.

An analysis of my work there showed that over the period I was doing that work I was able to gain clients $170 for every dollar I was paid.

Recently I assisted a relation and was able to have her benefit increased by over $50 per week and have that increase backdated to day one.

Ignoring the ‘big noting boast’ implicit there what it shows is that if things do not go smoothly for you at WINZ you are very much better off with a trained and experienced advocate.

I tend to the view that even if things ‘seem’ to go smoothly you are always best to double check their work anyway.

There are beneficiary organisations in most large towns and cities and if there is not one in where you live you can still ring and talk to one.

The Citizens Advice Bureau are perhaps the first port of call as they may be able to tell you of the nearest such body or may be able to so assist themselves.

May I suggest though that most, if not all, WINZ staff really do want to help and that is why they entered that work.

If you start from that premise – despite any mistakes being made – you may well find that you not only have a much more pleasant WINZ relationship but also can communicate better and get a better financial outcome.

I know it is not the accforum way and is not usually recommended on this site but niceness has its own (sometimes very worthwhile) rewards.
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Posted 20 June 2012 - 05:51 PM

View Posthappy1, on 20 June 2012 - 06:36 AM, said:

Gee Advocate,Its people like you who really piss me off.

Firstly ,I work part time and secondly I have been investigated by MSD,supplied sll my bank statements and answered all questions HONESTLY .

I also explained my situation as I work part time and want to get off a WINZ benefit.Now I have to repeat myself to WINZ.I`m not woried to do this just want to know my rights.

I have paid considerable tax,over my lifetime,worked hard,dont drink or smoke and spend my money very wisely.

I have been ripped off big time by ACC, and like every honest ACC victim, have a fraudulent specialist report as well as major concerns about my ACC claim being banded around my small town where

I live.I think tax payers will be more concerned about ACC ripping off clients and the money the will have be repaid,to claimants, in time to come and yes I will be one and take that money too-Eat your heart out!!



WINZ won`t dock my benefit as I can explain where I spent my money and can prove everything.I am not a bludger ,work part time,but want to be able to support myself .

So PISS OFF out of my life an go meddle in someones elses affairs .!!


Happy, your original post said you aren't prepared to tell WINZ anything, to hell with them, and that is was 'your assets, your money'. Hence my response. Money from WINZ is from taxpayers, hence 'their money, their right to know'. If you want to take tax-payer money, which yes, you may have contributed to yourself, but are not the sole supplier of, then you need to accept the conditions that come with it. If you have a problem with WINZ's conditions and don't want them nosying in your affairs, then don't take money from them! WINZ has a duty to know because they are accountable to the public. And if you had any brains, you would realize that comments making you sound like an angry, dishonest dole-bludger is not going to do you any favors in the next election.

The biggest determinant of how WINZ operates, and how much you are entitled to, is taxpayers / voters. It's not rocket science. IF you want them to vote for a policies that are empathetic / good for those that need benefits, then don't act like a greedy, angry, dishonest and self-entitled. Act grateful that there are others out there who do look after themselves and are able to work and be productive, so that there is money for those of us who can't always do that.
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Posted 20 June 2012 - 05:57 PM

View Posthappy1, on 20 June 2012 - 06:36 AM, said:


So PISS OFF out of my life an go meddle in someones elses affairs .!!



umm why would you post on an internet forum if you couldn't handle people's responses? If you didn't want advice, then why ask for it? IF you only wanted to hear one type of answer, then u shouldn't have asked a question in the first place.

And sorry, but any 'affairs' related to ACC or WINZ is my affair as well. As someone who relies on both for income, and at other times have been a taxpayer, then sorry, but it does concern me. Your behavior effects everyone who relies on such services, who who pays tax towards them. Hence why ACC/WINZ are such hot topics around election time. Again, it's not rocket science.
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